binomial 1s........

Find the greatest no in 300! and 100300

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Lokesh Verma ·

yes.. that is very simple if we find the number of digits of 300! because the number of digits of 100^(300) is 600...

Your approximation should work (I din realise it at that time.. but then how do you find (n/e)^n???

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Devil ·

For the last digits prob....
Use 172=(290-1)

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eureka123 ·

T_6=T_{5+1}={}^7C_5 (2log_2\sqrt{9^{x-1}+7})^2(\frac{1}{2^{1/5}log_23^{x-1}+1})^5=84
=>T_6=T_{5+1}={}^7C_5 .4(log_2\sqrt{9^{x-1}+7})^2.\frac{1}{2}({\frac{1}{log_23^{x-1}+1}})^5=84

Now hopefully u can finsih it off...

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sovan007 ·

nw cn ne1 hlp me out wid diz 1.....

The value of x,for which the 6th term in the expznsion of

{2log2(9x-1+ 7) + 1/(2(1/5)log2(3x-1+1))}7 is 84 is

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sovan007 ·

thx prophet sr 4 dat sisilating sol...,nishant sir 4 d ans n eure 4 ur suggestions on d sol.....

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eureka123 ·

Awesome solution..
Thats the difference between a student and expert [1]

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Hari Shankar ·

As a supplement, the proof that 3 > \left( 1 + \frac {1}{n} \right)^{n} (it used to be in TMH, dont know if its there in present text books).

\left( 1 + \frac {1}{n} \right)^{n} = 1 + 1 + \frac{n (n-1)}{2! n^2} + \frac{n (n-1) (n-2)} {3! n^3}+....

<1 + 1 + \frac{1}{2! } + \frac{1} {3! }+....

Its easy to establish that n!>2n-1 for n>2

Hence we further have

<1 + 1 + \frac{1}{2 } + \frac{1} {2^2 }+.... + \frac{1}{2^{n-1}}< 1 + 1 + \frac{1}{2} + ... \infty = 3

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Hari Shankar ·

Sometimes the very obvious escapes us :(

we just have to prove the inequality n! > \left( \frac {n}{3} \right)^n

This is obvious for n =1,2 etc.

We will prove the hypothesis by induction.

Assuming its true for n = k i.e. k! > \left( \frac {k}{3} \right)^k, we have (k+1)! > (k+1) \left( \frac {k}{3} \right)^k

Now (k+1) \left( \frac {k}{3} \right)^k > \left( \frac {k+1}{3} \right)^{k +1} if 3 > \left( 1 + \frac {1}{k} \right)^{k} which is a well known inequality.

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Lokesh Verma ·

because when we have to compare two numbers and we can say that the number of digits of the first number is greater than the number of digits in the second then the first number is greater than the second

We already know the number of digits in the 2nd no is 600 exactly ;)

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eureka123 ·

interesting sir....but why are we calculating no. of terms ???

sorry if it is a silly doubt.. :P

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Lokesh Verma ·

I did a calculation on Excel..

log (300!) = 614.48

It has 28 extra digits compared to 100300

(I know this is not the best mathematics :P but then someone had to dirty his hands to get the answer :P)

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Hari Shankar ·

Just shooting from my hip, but you can see that the given number is the 301st term in e100 and knowing that ex converges very quickly, we can qualitatively see that the term must be close to zero. That means 300! is far greater than 100300. Lets see if something more concrete emerges

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Lokesh Verma ·

Dont worry about it ...

These are some questions that are not very difficult but should be done at a bit advanced stage.. not straight away

what you should realize is

Log 10 = 1

log 100 = 2

log 1000 = 3

log 10000 = 4

so you must see clearlyt that taking the log to base 10 gives us the number of digits-1 .. . for large values of n, you can take them to be equal...

Now what is written should make some sonse?

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karan ·

Hey i have never solved such types of difficult questions. please fastly anyone give all detalied soln to all problems

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eureka123 ·

sir 300!=√600Ï€.300300.e-300

now ,
600Ï€ >1
also 300300>100300

the only thing left is e-300 which approaches to zero..
thats what is creating prob

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sovan007 ·

Coefficient of t24 in (1+t2)12(1+t12) (1+t24) is

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eureka123 ·

yup sir...
i gave the approx for n! if n is very large..but the question too wants us to compare 300! and 100300 naa???

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Lokesh Verma ·

eureaka, you have giveen an approximation for n! not for the number of digits in n!

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eureka123 ·

will this be useful??
17256=(1+16)162

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sovan007 ·

Find the

(i) last digit
(ii) last 2 digits and
(iii)last 3 digits of 17256

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eureka123 ·

Got this formula

If n is very large
=> n!=√2Ï€n nn e-n

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Lokesh Verma ·

There was a formula given by ramanujan to find the number of digits in n! and is one of his famous approximations/ formulas that he would give without proofs!

Otherwise you have to take logs to the base 10 and find the sum of the digit

log 300=2.477
log 200= 2.301
log 100= 2

number of digits is less than 2.477x100+2.301x100+ 2x50+ 1.69x50=248+231+100+85>600
number of digits is greater than 2.301x100+ 2x100+ 1.69x50=231+200+85>520

So you should know how close the answer is to the right one...

I dont have the patience to make more accurate calculations :P

Please try and do it yourself.. or if Prophet sir or Kaymant sir come up with soemthing better?

Otherwise you have to goto the approximation formulas given for the number of digits of n! which is obviously not in JEE syllabus!

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Lokesh Verma ·

The sum of the rational terms in the expansion of(√2+31/5)10 is

√20x(31/5)10 + √210x(31/5)0

9+32=41

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Lokesh Verma ·

The first question is same as finding the number of digits of 300!

isnt it?

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sovan007 ·

The sum of the rational terms in the expansion of(√2+31/5)10 is

1
sovan007 ·

Determine the value of x in the expression (x+xt)5. If

the third term in the expression is 10,00,000.where t= log10x

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sovan007 ·

sir it mens which no is greater of both the given nos......

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Lokesh Verma ·

2nd part is same as coeff of t24 in (1+t2)12(1+t12) + coefficient of the constant term in (1+t2)12(1+t12)

which is the same as....

coeff of t12 in (1+t2)12+coeff of t24 in (1+t2)12+

+ coefficient of the constant term in (1+t2)12(1)

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Lokesh Verma ·

what do you mean find the greatest number in 300! and 100^300?

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