Some doubts.!

1) The value of 50C6 - 5C1.40C6 + 5C2.30C6 - 5C3.20C6 + 5C4.10C6 is

2) The minimum value of (8x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2})(\frac{1}{x}+\frac{1}{y}+\frac{1}{z})^{2} is

3) In a ΔABC, tanB/tanC = 2/3 and tanA.tanB.tanC=6 then the value(s) of tanA will satisfy the equation

A) 2x3-13x2+36x-25 = 0 B) x3 -12x2+36x-25 = 0

C) x3-12x2+35x-24 = 0 D) 2x3-13x2+35x-24 = 0

[I've doubt with the answers, so i'm not posting the given answers as ur solution may tend to achieve the final answer by some way (:D). please have patience to post the complete solution (minimizing the no. of steps). If ur solution is correct, then obviously ur answer will also be correct :) ]

please help.!

Thanq :)

26 Answers

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nihit.desai ·

1st que :

given expression is same as coefficient of x^6 in the expansion of :
((1+x)10 - 1)5

Expand and get the answer...

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Hari Shankar ·

yeah. the equality condition in AM-GM requires the summands to be equal.

Here's a method that uses only Cauchy Schwarz only

(1^2+1^2+1^2+1^2)(4x^2+4x^2+y^2+z^2) \ge (2x+2x+y+z)^2 by CS

Further (2x+2x+y+z) \left(\frac{1}{2x} + \frac{1}{2x} + \frac{1}{y} + \frac{1}{z} \right)\ge (1+1+1+1)^2 = 4^2 again by CS [u can also use AM-HM or AM-GM)

Therefore we have

4(4x^2+4x^2+y^2+z^2) \left(\frac{1}{2x} + \frac{1}{2x} + \frac{1}{y} + \frac{1}{z} \right)^2 \ge \left[ \left(2x+2x+y+z) \left(\frac{1}{2x} + \frac{1}{2x} + \frac{1}{y} + \frac{1}{z} \right) \right]^2 \ge 4^4

and hence the inequaliyty holds

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nihit.desai ·

othrwise i had thought abt sumthing else...
if u c carefully, in the first expression, equality holds whn 8x2 = y2 = z2 = some k

in the second one, equality holds whn x-1 = y-1 = z-1 = some constant

now 54 is the min value only if both are satisfied simultaneously, ie for the same values of x, y and z...which is clearly not possible...
so i think 64 is 100 % correct ans..

3
nihit.desai ·

hmmm....gud yaar...i think its now clear !!!

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Subash ·

I think i found it

in nihit's solution

Second part

squaring the inequality can reverse the inequality because its value can be <1 also

so that solution will not be valid

:D

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The Race begins... ·

hm ! even the explanation given in solution booklet matches with the one given by prophet sir. :)

But still, why is AM-GM not working here !?

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Subash ·

I think he meant at what values do we get the value 54?

the values of x,y,z

1
The Race begins... ·

well, i'm sorry. Even the condition x,y,z>0 is given in the question. But still, answer is given as 64, not 54 ! dont know why?

prophet sir, please explain ur statement : "Also the equality condition is not satisfied, so that 54 is definitely a lower bound , but not the greatest lower bound for this expression."

i think this statement has everything that declares 64 as correct answer. !

but i couldn't get it clearly. please explain sir !

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nihit.desai ·

surely the inequality u've used is far more sound mathematically...but whr is the concept going wrng with AM - GM thing ??

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nihit.desai ·

see...

(8x2 + y2 + z2)/3 ≥ (8x2 * y2 * z2 )1/3
now calculating..v get :

(8x2 + y2 + z2) ≥ 6 (xyz)2/3 ... (1)

Second part :

(x-1 + y-1 + z-1 )/3 ≥ (1/xyz)1/3

again shfting 3 to rite and squaring...v get

(x-1 + y-1 + z-1 )2 ≥ 9 (1/xyz)2/3 ... (2)

multiplying (1) and (2) we get the result naa...strangely it comes out to be independent of x, y and z...
plzz sum1 temme wats wrong...

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Hari Shankar ·

Well, I dont know if there is any other method. the answer 54 is got by applying AM-GM on the two factors. But that needs x,y and z to be positive. Also the equality condition is not satisfied, so that 54 is definitely a lower bound , but not the greatest lower bound for this expression.

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nihit.desai ·

hey...u welcum..but wait !...
i m still not convinced y that ans cannot b 54...
i mean, even i got that whn i workd with AM GM inequality...i cant find my mistake...

1
The Race begins... ·

thanx nihit :)

well, it's done then.

Thanq everyone who involved in this forum and also the one's who tried these problems. Thanx once again :)

11
Subash ·

Q3

my answer B(:D)

tanAtanBtanC=6

tanA+tanB+tanC=6

tanB=2/3 tanC

Substitute tanB in the first two equations

and solve for tanA

1
The Race begins... ·

thanx a lot sir. :)

but if that's not applicable for jee syllabus, how to solve such problems within jee level.?

This question was asked in our "iit-jee grand test".!

Did they expect us to solve it by this method or is there any other simple method too (which is within jee level) ?

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Hari Shankar ·

For the inequality what is needed is an inequality known as Hölder Inequality. It is a generalisation of Cauchy Schwarz inequality

I will give it in a form that is useful in this problem:

\left(x_{11}^3 + x_{12}^3 + x_{13}^3 \right)^{\frac{1}{3}} \left(x_{21}^3 + x_{22}^3 + x_{23}^3 \right)^{\frac{1}{3}} \left(x_{31}^3 + x_{32}^3 + x_{33}^3 \right)^{\frac{1}{3}} \ge \left(x_{11}x_{21}x_{31} + x_{12}x_{22} x_{32} + x_{13}x_{23}x_{33} \right)

So when you apply it, we get

\left(8x^2+y^2+z^2 \right) \left(\frac{1}{x} + \frac{1}{y} + \frac{1}{z} \right)\left(\frac{1}{x} + \frac{1}{y} + \frac{1}{z} \right) \ge (2+1+1)^3 = 64

Note: In JEE Cauchy Schwarz itself may not find any application. So Hölder may be overkill as far as JEE preparation is concerned.

1
The Race begins... ·

The answer given is 64 itself, but most of my friends argued it to be 54.!

i couldn't have a detailed discussion with them, so posted it here if anyone could solve it in an easier/compatible way.!

brother, u post ur generalization thought, it may be right as the answer is correct :)

but please, post it in a detailed way, as i'm newly exposed to this cauchy schwarz !

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Lokesh Verma ·

The Race...

I seem to have lost my own arguement..

I think what i have done is wrong..

what is the right answer??

For a moment i thought that the generalization of cauchcy schwarz wud work.. but now i am not feeling the same..

1
The Race begins... ·

@Nishant bro. Thanx for the links. I got the inequality now. :)

but, i didn't get ur soluton yet ! please post 2-3 intermediate steps at the point where u wrote "now apply cauchy schwarz". that will be helpful for everyone, especially me ! please

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virang1 Jhaveri ·

=50!/6!44! - 5!/4!.40!/6!34! + 5!/2!3!.30!/6!24! - 5!/3!2!.20!/6!14! + 5!/4!.10!/6!4!
=1/6!(50!/44!- 5!/4!.40!/34! +5!/2!3! . 30!/24! - 5!/3!2!.20!/14! + 5!/4!.10!/4!)
=1/6!([50*49*48*47*49*45]-[40*39*38*37*36*34] + [2*5*30*29*28*27*26*25] -[5*2*20*19*18*17*16*15] + [10*9*8*7*6*5])
10/6!([5*49*48*47*49*45]-[4*39*38*37*36*34] +[*30*29*28*27*26*25] -[*20*19*18*17*16*15] + [*9*8*7*6*5]

50/6!([49*48*47*46*45]-[4*39*38*37*7.2*34] +[6*29*28*27*26*25] -[4*19*18*17*16*15] + [*9*8*7*6])
200/6!([49*12*47*46*45]-[39*38*37*7.2*34] +[6*29*7*27*26*25] -[19*18*17*16*15] + [*9*2*7*6])
1800/6!([[49*12*47*46*5]-[13*38*37*2.4*34] +[6*29*7*3*26*25] -[19*6*17*16*5] + [**2*7*6])
=14400/6!([49*3*47*23*5]-[13*38*37*0.3*34] +[3*29*7*3*13*12.5] -[19*6*17*2*5] + [3.5*3])

i am getting mad

11
Subash ·

bhaiyya

how do you take it from there in post two

im not that good at this inequality

but isnt that a whole square in the second term

so explain a bit more :)

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Lokesh Verma ·

http://targetiit.com/iit_jee_forum/posts/22nd_december_2008_1146.html

http://targetiit.com/iit_jee_forum/posts/inequalities_3234.html

read these two..

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Lokesh Verma ·

sorry i explained the above very clumsily.. not much was clear..

but let me try to find some good explanation..

1
The Race begins... ·

@Nishant bro, can u briefly explain the basic definition of cauchy schwarz and explain it's applications in jee level.

I've done a lot of google search but couldn't get any conclusion. so please explain me it in ur words.!

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Lokesh Verma ·

(8x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2})(\frac{1}{x}+\frac{1}{y}+\frac{1}{z})^{2} \\=(4x^{2}+4x^2+y^{2}+z^{2})(\frac{1}{2x}+\frac{1}{2x}+\frac{1}{y}+\frac{1}{z})^{2}
>=
now apply cauchy schwarz..

8x^3=y^3=z^3

2x=y=z=t

4t^2 x (4/t)^2 = 64

1
The Race begins... ·

u r correct :)

solve the other two also. please!

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