find the limit

lim x→0 (1cosec2x+2cosec2x+3cosec2x+....Ncosec2x)sin2x=?????

19 Answers

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eureka123 ·

@ bhatt sir
didnt get the first step of ur solution [2][2]
can u explain it ???

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msp ·

i also have the same dbt asish.i am waiting for a reply.

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Asish Mahapatra ·

manipal: see this
lim(x-->0) (sinx+2x)/x
How can u divide by x (x-->0) and say that it is 1+2=3??

same way here. ive just divided by an expression
or see this
lim(x→∞) x2+2x2x2+1 = lim(x→∞) 1+2/x2+1/x2 = 1/2
How can we divide by x2 as x-->∞ ??

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Mani Pal Singh ·

@ashish

lim(x→0) (1cosec2x+2cosec2x+...+ncosec2x)sin2x
= ncosec2xsin2x[(1/n)cosec2x+(2/n)cosec2x+....+1]sin2x
= n[(1/n)cosec2x+(2/n)cosec2x+....+1]sin2x
= n (as r/n < 1 and hence (r/n)∞→0)(further as n does not tend to ∞, so we dont have (→0)infinite no. of times. so all the terms can be assumed to be zero)

how could u divide by ncosec2x when x->0

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Asish Mahapatra ·

nopes... see (N-1)/N < 1
(any number less than 1)∞ →0 isnt it?

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gordo ·

arent we complicating this problem?
i mean as asish say, take out Ncosec2x out of the bracket, to have
N*(1+(N-1/N)^cosec2x+.....)sin2x

=N rite.

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Asish Mahapatra ·

manipal: ur approach is wrong
logy=sin2x log(N!)cosec2x yahi wrong hai.

lim(x→0) (1cosec2x+2cosec2x+...+ncosec2x)sin2x
= ncosec2xsin2x[(1/n)cosec2x+(2/n)cosec2x+....+1]sin2x
= n[(1/n)cosec2x+(2/n)cosec2x+....+1]sin2x
= n (as r/n < 1 and hence (r/n)∞→0)(further as n does not tend to ∞, so we dont have (→0)infinite no. of times. so all the terms can be assumed to be zero)

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Mani Pal Singh ·

PLEASE DUNNO RELY ON THIS ONE AND DO CHECK FOR CONFORMATION[3]

lim x→0 (1cosec2x+2cosec2x+3cosec2x+....Ncosec2x)sin2x=y

then

logy=sin2x log(N!)cosec2x
log(logy)=log(logN!)

y=N!

This idea came randomly in my mind
please excuse me if i am wrong and sum1 pls solve this 1
This question is pondering me now[2]

24
eureka123 ·

okk......that was silly doubt[3][3]

thanxxx sir[1][1]

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Hari Shankar ·

Each of the summands (except the first) is less than 1.

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iitimcomin ·

N [ (1/N)^COSEC^2 X + 2/ ............................+1]^SIN^2 X .....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we know ...1/n is less than 1 and ... cosec thingi tends to infinity as x -->0 !!!!!!

so all those become 0 .......... except the 1 ..... so we get 1 *N =N ......

SRY IF RONG ...

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msp ·

ok sir thanx for pointing the mistake.ive deleted that post to prevent further confusion.

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Hari Shankar ·

Sandwich Principle can easily settle this:

We have

1< 1^{\csc^2 x} + \left(\frac{1}{N} \right)^ {\csc^2 x} + \left(\frac{2}{N} \right)^ {\csc^2 x}+...+ \left(\frac{N-1}{N} \right)^ {\csc^2 x}< N

so that

1^{\sin^2 x}< \left(1^{\csc^2 x} + \left(\frac{1}{N} \right)^ {\csc^2 x} + ...+ \left(\frac{N-1}{N} \right)^ {\csc^2 x} \right)^{\sin^2 x} < N^{\sin^2 x}

Now take limits as x→0

Note: Here RHS bound we have taken is pretty weak, but it works just fine.

But, we can improve the bounds by saying

1^{\csc^2 x} + \left(\frac{1}{N} \right)^ {\csc^2 x} + ...+ \left(\frac{N-1}{N} \right)^ {\csc^2 x}< \frac{1}{N} + \frac{2}{N}+...+\frac{N}{N}

or further

1^{\csc^2 x} + \left(\frac{1}{N} \right)^ {\csc^2 x} + ...+ \left(\frac{N-1}{N} \right)^ {\csc^2 x}< \frac{1}{N^2} \left(1^2+2^2 + ...+N^2 \right)

and so on.

We get RHS<(N+1)/2 in the 1st case which is a better bound than N

When we choose squares, we get N(N+1)(2N+1)/6N2 which is a further improvement over (N+1)/2.

This could prove useful somewhere.

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Lokesh Verma ·

I dont think that is perfectly correct..

because it is of the form zero to the power zero..

that is not necessarily zero...

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iitimcomin ·

my ans. matches wit bipins...........

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msp ·

pls try it

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msp ·

hey guys ls try it

3
msp ·

pls try neone or give me hint.

3
msp ·

I DUNNO THE ANS AND ALSO WE CANT DO LIKE THIS SOMETIMES IT LEAD TO US A WRONG ANS.

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