If a proton moves with a velocity 'v' parallel to a current carrying wire,a magnetic FORCE acts on it.If the same particle is seen from a frame moving with an identical velocity in the same direction then....
1)Will the magnetic force become zero in ths frame.
2)Will the magnetic field become zero in this frame.
HINT::
FIND THE magnetic force when the frame moves with a velocity v/2
1the vector solution is very difficult ... because when force acts on the proton...it will come closer to the wire ..
∫B.dl=u0i
B.2Î r=u0 i
where 'r' is a variable=distance of proton from the wire( ..since a force is acting on the proton and getting it closer to the wire)
so B is inversely proportional to 'r'
then how to solve this qn with vector method? it is very difficult
66In the new frame, the magnetic force is definitely zero (at least initially) but the magnetic field is NOT zero. The magnetic field in fact is the same in both the frames.
1sir,..... is there any way to solve this theoretically ..
sir,...
is it that in this question we cannot obtain an identical velocity ..we can only obtain a tending case such that v(frame)=0.99999v
1sir i want to solve the locus of proton from the frame moving with an identical velocity
66Its not difficult but you should note that in the new reference frame there will also be a position dependent radial electric field.
1there is no charge density on the wire ...from where does the electric field arises ..?
66The electric field does not arise from anywhere. Rather, it had always been there in the new reference frame. Let me explain.
First of all, you should note that the magnetic field in the two reference frames are equal. The reason is that the current in the wire is same in both the reference frame. Though I stated the invariance of magnetic field with reference to the field of current carrying wire, it turns out that the magnetic field due to any source remains the same in all reference frames (well at least classically).
Lets analyze a general situation. Take a reference frame S in which there is a magnetic field \vec{B} and an electric field \vec{E}. Now consider another reference frame S' which is moving with a velocity \vec{v}_0 relative to S. Our task is to relate the electric and magnetic field \vec{E}' and \vec{B}', respectively, measured in S' to the same quantities in S. As already stated the magnetic field remains invariant. Therefore, \vec{B}' = \vec{B}.
Suppose a charged particle having a charge q is moving with a velocity \vec{v} relative to S. The Lorentz force acting on it is \vec{F} = q(\vec{E}+\vec{v}\times \vec{B}).
On the other hand, the Lorentz force as measured is S' is
\vec{F}' = q(\vec{E}'+\vec{v}\,'\times \vec{B}')
Here \vec{v}\,' is the velocity of q as measured in S'. Since the net force must be same in the two reference frame, we have \vec{F}' = \vec{F}. That is
q(\vec{E}+\vec{v}\times \vec{B}) = q(\vec{E}'+\vec{v}\,'\times \vec{B}') --------- (1)
But we have \vec{B}' = \vec{B} and \vec{v}\,'=\vec{v}-\vec{v}_0
So from (1) we get
\vec{E}+\vec{v}\times \vec{B} = \vec{E}' + \vec{v}\times \vec{B} -\vec{v}_0\times \vec{B}
And hence,
\boxed{\vec{E}'=\vec{E}+\vec{v}_0\times \vec{B}}
That implies the electric field as measured in S' is different than the electric field as measured in S.
1thank u so much sir ...now i undestand that electric fireld will always be present because of the charged particle not because of the wire :)
and a very important result
E'=E+v0 X B :D
66By the way, don't you think that the current should change since the drift speed of the electrons are different in the new reference frame?
1sir i think THE increased ELectric field in the new frame of reference will compensate the POSSIBLE loss of current ...
since E' > E
because of this ...the possible loss of current in the new frame ...has to be compensated by the factor E' > E
...am i correct sir ?
1j=σ.E
so.... from that point of view
if Electric field is increasd then the current density will also increase ....and since the area of the wire is constant
......this can only happen if the current in the wire increaseses :D