12-2-2009 maths

may be the dumbest question one can give in arithmetic progresions

Let a,b,c,d be four distinct positive integers in arithmetic progression. Prove that abcd is not a perfect square.

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Honey Arora ·

i hv got the ques...........bt i ws jst arguing for wt i hd said.....i ws initially wrong[4]

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Hari Shankar ·

the first line of the question is a howler, because if 0<a<2, then, both numerator and denominator are positive for all x, then how can it possibly have range (-∞,∞)?!!

f(x) = (x2-ax+1)/(x2+ax+1) = 1 - 2ax/(x2+ax+1)

= 1 - 2a/(x+1/x +a)

Let y = x+1/x.

Then the expression is 1 - 2a/(y+a).

Differentiating with respect to x, we get f'(x) = 2a/(y+a)2 y' = 2a/(x+1/x+a)2 (1-1/x2)

It is easy to see that f'(1) = f'(-1) = 0.

Differentiating again and remembering that y'(1) = y'(-1) = 0,

we see that f''(1) = 2a/(a+2)2 and f''(-1) = -2a(a-2)2 so that

(a+2)2f''(1) + (a-2)2f"(-1) = 0.

The derivatives obtained easily answer part 2 of the question also.

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mkagenius ·

sir this was the ques...

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mkagenius ·

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Hari Shankar ·

Could you post the question, because I dont know which problem you are referring to?

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mkagenius ·

btw,thanx for above solution...

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mkagenius ·

sir can u suggest any way to speed up the differenciaton speed.....bcoz last year one question was there in which we had to differenciate twice...to get the answer(it was in the paragraph)

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Hari Shankar ·

any equation of the form f(x1,x2,x3...,xn) = 0 with x1,x2,x3...,xn being integers.

ax+by = c

x2+y2 = z2 are examples

The most famous one would be xn+yn=zn

The result that this is not solvable in integers for n>2 is now known as Fermat-Wiles theorem.

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Sunil Kumar ·

@prophet.
wats the Diophantine equations? I havn't learned them...
Can u put sum light over it...

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Hari Shankar ·

We have to prove that it is impossible to have

a(a+d)(a+2d)(a+3d) = n2

a(a+d)(a+2d)(a+3d) = (a2+3ad)(a2+3ad+2d2)

= (a2+3ad+d2-d2)(a2+3ad+d2+d2)

= (a2+3ad+d2)2-d4 = n2.

x2-n2=d4

But this is a corollary one of the Diophantine equations proved as insoluble in integers by Fermat.

Hence there exist no four consectutive numbers in arithmetic progression such that their product is a perfect square

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Honey Arora ·

they are in AP
then let a=A
then b=A+D,c=A+2d and d=A+3D
so they cn't form perfect sq

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Lokesh Verma ·

honey you are not getting the point of this question..

See if we have to prove that something is true (and it is) then how can someone give a counterexample!!!

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Honey Arora ·

bt these cld nt hv common difference.........cld these?

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Anirudh Narayanan ·

hONEY, 4 ≠16.
But 4.16 = 64 (a perfect square)

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Honey Arora ·

coz common difference always changes the next term..........so no 2 terms cn be equal nd to be a sq all sides mst be equal

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MAK ·

it'll b a perfect square only when a=b=c=d or a,b,c,d are perfect squares individually...

given that a,b,c,d are all distinct... so first case is ruled out...

n second case is obviously not possible, because no 4 perfect squares are in AP...

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Dr.House ·

why cant it be a perfect square?

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MAK ·

let

a=p-3q ; b=p-q ; c=p+q ; d=p+3q...

abcd = (p2-q2)(p2-9q2)........... which cannot be perfect square anywayzzz... gottt...!!!

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Anirudh Narayanan ·

Let a= x-3s

b= x-s

c=x+s

d=x+3s

Thus they form an AP

abcd= (x2-s2)(x2-9s2) --------(1)

I don't knw how to prove that (1) is not a perfect square.

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