Similar to Aragorns "How mnay times?"

Without graphing can you write out all solutions to x2 = 2x ?

This is not entirely JEE stuff, but you can learn an interesting concept here

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Celestine preetham ·

is it possible to find 3rd sol ?

if yes please explain

341
Hari Shankar ·

I presume you are asking for a polynomial expansion. Just wiki for lambert W function and read it up. There is an article in Wolfram also

9
Celestine preetham ·

see log as an expansion
similarly wats expansion of W

9
Celestine preetham ·

see log as an expansion
similarly wats expansion of W

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Anirudh Narayanan ·

Then without olympiad level math, how will u know the other solution? [7]

9
Celestine preetham ·

k then W cant be calculated manually

341
Hari Shankar ·

Hey, nobody has done the homework! whazzup?

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Lokesh Verma ·

celestine W is a known function...

This is like the log formula.. it is like asking what how do we know log2 is whatever it is !!!

9
Celestine preetham ·

but how do u find W in this case

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Hari Shankar ·

Yes, I came across this technique very recently

There is a function called Lambert's W function.

Suppose xex= y (x,y>0), then x = W(y) in other words it is the inverse of the function f(x) = xex

Now we know that a negative root exists. Let us put x = -y and rewrite the equation as y2 = 2-y

So, now, we can take logarithm on both sides and obtain

2 ln y = -y ln 2 or 1/y ln(1/y) = ln2/2

If we put ln(1/y) = z, we get the equation zez = ln2/2

which means z = ln(1/y) = W(ln2/2) and hence y = e-W(ln2/2)

This is a standard function in many math software and plugging this number in we obtain x = -y = -0.7666

You can use this to solve an equation like xx = 2. Try it expressing the solution in terms of the W function.

11
Anirudh Narayanan ·

There r three solutions......x=2 is one. I don't know abt the other two. [4]

33
Abhishek Priyam ·

[1]

1
Diptosh ·

Software :)

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Abhishek Priyam ·

[1]

Fine...
plz make us benefit frm ur graphing technique :)

1
Diptosh ·

Prophet please tell me , I am curious to know .

@ Priyam I knew about that , there was nothing new in it .

Remark : I can provide far better graphs . :D

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Hari Shankar ·

also thanks for showing interest :)

341
Hari Shankar ·

The solutions that are easy to spot are x=2 and x = 4

let f(x) = 2x-x2

f(0) = 1, and as x→∞, f(x)→-∞

The continuity of f(x) means there is a root in the interval (-∞,0)

How to find that root is pretty interesting

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Abhishek Priyam ·

Diptosh

See:

http://targetiit.com/iit_jee_forum/posts/how_many_times_63_838.html

1
Diptosh ·

But isn't graphs the easiest way to do such problems ?

Obviously it has two , how can it have 3 solns ?

prophet tell us about it .

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Hari Shankar ·

Something to go on:

We already have an idea that there are two solutions for x>0 and one for x<0

The JEE related part is finding the +ve roots and proving that there are no more than two. x = 2 is one. That should make finding the other root easy

The tough part is finding the negative root (no, not Newton Raphson's :D)

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