is the answer to the last part = √((π3R3)/2GM0ln(2n/π)) ?
Point-masses of mass m are at rest at the corners of a regular n-gon, as illustrated in the figure for n = 6.
How does the system move if only gravitation acts between the bodies? How much time elapses before the bodies collide if n = 2, 3 and 10? Examine the limiting case when n ≫ 1 and m = M0/n, where M0 is a given total mass.
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sir with reference to #18
i had missed a pi
so for n=1000 ratio is close to pi
for n= something very great wont it tend to pi
in this can we have an approximation ??
The case n\gg 1 is interesting. As the number n of point masses increase, Mn increases even if the total mass of the system is fixed at M0, i.e. m=M0/n. So seemingly from our last result the time of collapse should tend to zero. That is, the more finely a given amount of matter is spread around a circle, the shorter the time it takes for it to collapse under its own gravitational attraction. However, there is no point in examining a continuous matter distribution spread an arbitrary thin line; the extent of the matter in the transverse, i.e. radial direction cannot be neglected.
To finally conclude the post.
From the symmetry of the configuration and the initial conditions, it is easy to see that all bodies will fall towards the center of the n-gon with the same non-uniform acceleration. The structure maintains its initial shape (but the size reduces)
The net force on any one particle, say the n-th one due to all the others, is directed towards the center of the circle in which the polygon is inscribed, and is given by (as in #3)
F=G\dfrac{m^2}{r^2}\sum_{k=1}^{n-1}\dfrac{1}{4\sin(k\pi/n)}
when the distance of each is r from the center.
This force is identical to the gravitation attraction of fixed body at the center whose mass is
M_n=\dfrac{m}{4}\sum_{k=1}^{n-1}\dfrac{1}{\sin(k\pi/n)}
The values of the masses Mn (in units of m) can be evaluated for all n as
M2=0.25,
M3=.58
M4=.96
......
M10=3.86
......
However, there is no closed form. (in fact the summation cannot be written as an integral, since it diverges).
The time T of the collapse from an initial distance R onto a central mass Mn can be considered as half the period Te for a degenerate elliptical orbit of semi-major axis R/2. The period Tc of a circular orbit of radius R can be calculated directly from the dynamics of circular motion as
T_c=\sqrt{\left(\dfrac{4\pi^2}{GM_n}\right)R^3}
But according to Kepler's third law,
\left(\dfrac{T_e}{T_c}\right)^2=\left(\dfrac{R/2}{R}\right)^3
Thus, finally, we obtain the time of collapse as
\boxed{T=\pi\sqrt{\dfrac{R^3}{8GM_n}}}
sorry i dint mention that
R is changing and i took R initial ∞ to make things simpler
one thing celestine ,
you wrote
vdv=KdR/R2
but then we have
v2/2=k[1/x - 1/R ]
where v=-dx/dt
but you wrote
v2/2=k/R !!!
Rohan, I think, you've taken the limits wrong.
For k varying from 1 to n-1, the limits would be either (0 to (n-1)Ï€/n )
if you take the lower values; or (π/n to π) if you take the upper values.
Kaymant Sir, I hope I'm correct.
i didnt do that transition
cosec(kπ/n)=n* (1/n)cosec(kπ/n) = nπ/n∫(n-1)π/ncosecθdθ/π
celestine missed a pi
If k=1Σn-1Cosec(kπ/n) =A
I'm getting the time as t=√{(R3nπ2)/(GmA)}
{ Of course I might be wrong------- :-D)
Celestine and rohan:
How did you get the transition
\sum_{k=1}^{n-1}\csc\left(\dfrac{k\pi}{n}\right)\longrightarrow n \int_{\pi/n}^{(n-1)\pi/n}\csc\theta \ \mathrm{d}\theta
as n→∞?
In fact there is a vast difference. For n = 1000, the left side is approximately 4477.59 while the right side evaluates to 12912.3.
Actually, you cant. That series diverges. So you cannot determine the sum.
Help me find the sum k=1Σn-1 Cosec(kπ/n) for n->∞
Rohan said it is easy-------- but I haven't been able to figure it out yet.
this problem is easy exceept for a cosec series coming in the way .. :(
we can do it for n->∞ easily but for general n it is needed to solve it ..
for n=10 we know the values of sin18 ,sin36 sin54(cos36) and the others
reason why sir posted n>>1 instead of n→∞ is that at n→∞ , T =0
so however wen n>>1 the abv aproximations yield a definite ans
nope im not gettin tried all sorts of things but i feel our approach shud be to express each cosec as
sum thing - sumthinggelse ... :P ..... thatz wat i was trying to do ended up nowhere ........ anyways we have sir to turn to if we get nothing .....
even i was wasting time finding summation of cosec series but cudnt reach that
see second part of Q hes asking when n>>1 i jus took it infinity to make ans simpler
and i dont know a method to simplify that cosec series
post it if possible
but cel ... its not given n --> infinity ....... we have to try and do summation of that cosec thing which is wat i was trying to do ................
sir uploading ans
sorry i was wrong first time
dint put much thought before
I think the particles will all move towards the centre. At any instant, the force on one particle is given by Summation Of { Gm2 /(4x2 Sin(k[pi]/n) } ;{ k varying from 1 to n-1}; towards the centre, where x is the distance of the particles from the centre.
The particles will therefore move such that they always form the
n-gon, which keeps on becoming smaller and smaller.