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kaymant
·2009-03-27 23:46:03
Its around 70.5°. Or to be precise sinθ<√8/9.
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Philip Calvert
·2009-03-27 08:24:20
hehe bhaiyya i think that should have struck naturally
if kalyan got as far as he did ,
he should have no problem in nailing this one
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Ricky
·2011-03-20 08:28:43
Alternate and more easily " grabbable " solution -
At any moment of time , the co - ordinates of the object undergoing projectile motion are -
x = x
y = x tan θ - g x 22 V 2 cos 2 θ
Now , the distance from origin ( 0 , 0 ) to this point -
S 2 = x 2 + ( x tan θ - g x 22 V 2 cos 2 θ ) 2
For " S " to be increasing , " S 2 " must also be increasing since , " S > 0 " for all " x " .
In other words , dSdx > 0 ...............implies
dS2dx > 0
From here - on , after a bit of calculations , we easily arrive at the required result .
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Ricky
·2011-03-20 08:13:12
Let us assume that the path of the projectile starts from origin and bends like a down - ward parabola quite obvious . .
Let the position vector of the point which is furthest from origin be " r " and the velocity vector of the projectile at this position be " v " .
Obviously , this point is on that normal of the parabola which passes through origin .
Hence , ( r ) . ( v ) = 0
Since , r = x i + y j = V t cos θ i + ( V t sin θ - g t 22 ) j
And , v = V cos θ i + ( V sin θ - g t ) j
Hence ,
t 2 - 3 V sin θg t + 2 V 2g = 0
Since we do not want any roots of this equation , so , " Δ < 0 " .
From there , it is easily seen that -
sin θ < 2 √ 23
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Philip Calvert
·2009-03-29 06:35:18
see .......
i dont quite get where are u messing it up....
the u term would get cancelled so will the t term
as both ≠0
but hey wait !! did u think in terms of quadratics surely u cannot solve without that
that Δ < 0 thing !!
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Kalyan Pilla
·2009-03-28 02:58:37
ds2/dt = 2u2t+g2t3-3ugsinθt2
sinθ<=(2u2-g2t3)/3ug
minimum t=0
Hence (sinθ)max=2u/3g
So it depends on u[7][7]
Another point of doubt
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Asish Mahapatra
·2009-03-28 02:50:56
now i understood the question properly.... :( after such a long time
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Philip Calvert
·2009-03-28 02:29:59
oh kalyan instead of finding
ds/dt
find d(s2)/dt = 2sds/dt>0
since s > 0
2sds/dt>0 would imply ds/dt >0
that was wat we said ...
but i didn''t elaborate coz i thot it was "commonsense " for u hehe[1]
and now see if u get wat sir has given above
(u should now )
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Lokesh Verma
·2009-03-27 20:24:07
kalyan you are right it does not :) ;)
but both are the same way to look at a similar problem :)
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Kalyan Pilla
·2009-03-27 08:45:23
@ Asish
even if it is lim(θ→π/2)θ
It is sure to come closer[3][3]
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Kalyan Pilla
·2009-03-27 08:43:18
I got the derivative as
ds/dt={u2cos2θ+(usinθt-gt2/2)(usinθ-gt)}/√~
The √~ here is +ve, so it need not be considered 4 the inequation
So how does squaring help here[7][7][7]
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Philip Calvert
·2009-03-27 08:27:21
@kalyan hehe [4] now i got it why u got stuck
kalyan if u'd asked me to differentiate that stuff in that form i'd plain refuse even if u had a pistol in hand (forgive exaggeration :D )
do as bhaiyya said ... and u'll be through in no time
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as i did it this way i expected everyone to do this way
but..
there is one more method that gives a hell lot more insight into the stuff
i'll say if this one is mathematical that one is more elegant
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Asish Mahapatra
·2009-03-27 08:26:12
that's y i said lim... not exactly π/2 .. even if the angle is just less than π/2 the ball will still move away from the thrower
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Kalyan Pilla
·2009-03-27 08:24:47
Of course its not π/2 as , if it were π/2 the object comes back after attaining maax height
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Asish Mahapatra
·2009-03-27 07:42:15
i didnt get what the question is here "and always be moving away from the thrower"
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Lokesh Verma
·2009-03-27 08:21:03
One suggestion which will help in the exams a lot!!!
if you have to check that ds/dt>0
then simply check
d(s^2)/dt greater than zero...
here because s is always positive!! :)
that will make calculations a bit easier... and t;he expression less clumsy..
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Philip Calvert
·2009-03-27 08:07:26
kalyan has almost done it
check for careless mistakes
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Subash
·2009-03-27 08:04:29
this is a question to which a variety of questions cn be asked
is air resistance there?[3]
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Kalyan Pilla
·2009-03-27 08:03:13
Solving this gives
θ>sin-1gt/u and
θ>sin-1(t2g/2u)
But I think I am stuck here
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Subash
·2009-03-27 08:00:43
does that mean he is right [34]
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Kalyan Pilla
·2009-03-27 07:53:55
The displacement along x axis is x=ucosθ t
along y axis is y=usinθ t-gt2/2
distance from thrower, s= √(x2+y2)
This increases when ds/dt >0
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Subash
·2009-03-27 07:53:50
maybe 90° or just less than that
what i make of the question makes me tell this
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Philip Calvert
·2009-03-27 07:53:27
ok ok
i'll cut it short
THE PROBLEM STATEMENT IS C O M P L E T E
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Subash
·2009-03-27 07:45:12
hey there are two questions for you to answer you just "[1]"
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Subash
·2009-03-27 07:43:07
you include obtuse angles as well?