Re-exam.............

the ques missing in the hindi papers were the toughest ones . So obviouslymany underdeseving studenswill get selected

New Delhi, May 2: Fresh concerns have emerged over the errors in this year’s IIT Joint Entrance Examination even as the institutes today unveiled a set of corrective measures, apologising to students but ruling out a retest.

These concerns involve both new revelations challenging the IITs’ claims, and the inability of the institutes to address a key problem — that of the errors depriving the Hindi test takers of knowledge of the true weightage of several questions.

Stung by concern at the errors, and a slap on the wrist from human resource development minister Kapil Sibal, the IIT Joint Admission Board (JAB) today held an emergency meeting here.

The JAB — which consists of all the IIT directors and organising faculty — concluded that a set of corrective measures would adequately redress the concerns. (See chart)

“The IITs sincerely regret the hardships that the candidates may have faced during the examination,” a statement issued by the institutes said while adding: “The situation does not warrant the holding of any re-examination.”

But the corrective measures outlined by the IITs have already triggered discontent both among students and other stakeholders.

An NGO that has filed a public interest litigation in Delhi High Court seeking a stay on the release of the IIT-JEE results said it would seek Rahul Gandhi’s intervention.

The IITs had dismissed as “immaterial” an error that related to a set of questions that had more than one correct answer. The instructions for these questions said students would receive partial marks for partially correct answers and full marks if they marked all the correct bubbles. The instructions added that there would be no negative marking for darkening an incorrect bubble for these questions, worth a hefty 93 marks.

These instructions led to the fear that a smart student could score full marks in this section by wholesale darkening of all four options, which would include the correct answers with no penalty for the incorrectly marked bubbles. The IITs had dismissed this concern by arguing that they could identify the students who attempted this tactic as such questions never have all four options correct.

But the 2008 question papers and the model answers for these released by the IITs show that some similar questions that year did have all four options correct. This revelation challenges the claim made by the institutes, since a student can now cite precedent to claim that he legitimately believed that all four answers were correct.

“If all four options can be correct, as the 2008 experience now shows, how can the IITs penalise a student for marking all four bubbles?” asked Rajeev Kumar, the computer science professor at IIT Kharagpur who first revealed the errors in the JEE papers this year.

The marking-scheme instructions in Hindi question papers allocated three marks each to six questions that actually carried eight marks each. This error triggered concerns that Hindi students may not have attempted these questions, or may have half-heartedly attempted them, having been misled about their true weightage while picking which questions to spend time on.

But in the corrective measure unveiled today, the IITs have merely agreed to evaluate these questions for eight marks instead of three. This will not assist those students who did not attempt these questions as seriously as they would have if they had known their true worth.

In cases where some questions were either missing or illegible, students’ performance in the remainder of the paper will be used to scale up their marks to compensate for these questions. But such a scenario presumes that students would have had a success rate in the missing questions identical to their performance in the remainder of the question paper.

If two students, one with missing questions and the other with the full paper, performed equally in the remainder of the paper, and both knew the answers to the missing questions, the student who could not attempt these questions will likely end up with a lower score for no fault of his.

well said rick @post #269

:D :P

vant we get down to some iiT and kind of..sit there ....bhuk hartal!! asking them to explain!!

seems everyone is satisfied with corrective measures here...........????????

What I would suggest is that each of us express our discontent by mailing these people again that we are not satisfied. We must repeat again what we did earlier. Just scan the previous posts for all the e-mail id's and tell them that you are not satisfied- whoever you find newspaper reporters, sibal ji, the ministry, tv channels, each of iit directors and chairmen etc. etc. But this is gonna be a minor step.

Next drop an e-mail to all the high courts in your respective area. But if you can afford the time, do file a petition in your local high court or the supreme court of India (http://supremecourtofindia.nic.in/). Put up the explanations given on this link posted earlier:
http://eklavyajee06.blogspot.com/2010/05/iits-error-corrections-cannot_02.html
It clearly summarizes why the measures are inadequate.

Tell them that scaling is not a solution in even one of the possible cases. We compare the English students to the Hindi ones.
Case 1:
Both of them knew the answers to the questions not printed in the Hindi version.
Hindi students are at a loss as they are getting only a fraction of the marks they deserve.

Case 2:
Both of them didn't knew the answers to the questions omitted from the Hindi version.
The English students would lose here as they are either getting a zero or some negative mark on these questions whereas his Hindi counterpart gets at least some marks without even looking at the question.

Case 3:
The Hindi guy knows the answer and the English guy doesnt
In this case the Hindi student is at a loss since he would have been able to lead his english counterparts by a well set margin of 3-4 marks. But he would be getting a fraction of these marks for no fault of his own. Hence his prospects of leading an English student are minimised in such a solution.

Case 4:
The English guy knows the answer and the Hindi guy doesnt.
In this case, IITs have unfairly bridged the gap between the Hindi guy and the English one. Though this is a minor case where only a fraction of the marks would be awarded to the hindi student- it disadvantages the English student no doubt.

See guys, the truth is that we need action at the present situation. Do it now. Or you can decide to sit back. This time wont come back to ya. And almost all engg. entrance exams are over.
20 days and you have your results on your screen. So action.... and do notify ur progress here.

I am gonna start. I had filed an electronic petition at SC- which now I have sought to revise after JEE publishe the corrective measures.
I have also written to the various authorities and some of the professors at JEE. All I learnt from them that the Directors have told them not to interfere in the business. Therefore I appreciate the steps of the IIT Kharagpur CSE Professor.

So guys post what you did in this regard here so that everyone else can follow.

@ ROHIT
You are being funny.

@ all
I will be right back with more things to support you guys!

protest now friends ....... otherwise if time goes , u will regret the whole of ur life.

@Abhishek
Thanks for your comments! Neva mind dear. Do you want to deny a re-exam? Tell us straight forward.

I can answer these.
1. Maybe, that is becoz your invigilator gave you the correct instructions. Simply tell me what would ya do if your invi asked ya to go by subject head first and then near the end acc. to serial?
2. No I don't believe in mock tests. I have always recommended the previous years papers. Thats a *great* strategy- deciding toppers by testing them out of syllabus? I wonder! What are we looking for research scientists or potential engineers?
3. Yup, I gave JEE in the 1990's. seems like you are one of the toppers- getting a full score or what? Well, you are right. I am no one to decide the difficulty level. The job is being *excellently* done by IIT Madras. And all this furor is just a joke. Lemme ask u one thing? Did you see how good the 2009 paper was? Compare it to this year and you will know. And dont ask me, ask the people here who found the paper damn easy.
4. I accept I am a retard.Forgive me! "SIMPLE ADDITION AND SUBTRACTION" - yup dear I agree again :D the level of JEE has fallen! :D

5. The problem was with the instructions. Read the whole thing and then comment.
This thread is for a re-exam. If you dont want it- sit calmly. Why do you post here? As it is you found the exam that easy. Go relax. As it is a re-exam is a distant dream now.
6 and 8: I was giving examples to help people shape their petition. I might have repeated. Why r u so worried? Do you have to pay to keep 2 lines of text on this server. If thats the case, I can accuse you of more wastage. Your last post was crap.
7. One last time I am not a jee 2010 aspirant. I stand for the students alone. Do you have any problem?

accepting these corrective measures is like saying kasab is not guilty of 26/11
According to me,

Kasab killed only a few "tens" of people...............
These IIT directors are killing the aspirations of 4.65 lakh people..........

Is this not a henious crime as 26/11????????

The punishment should be similar

Super 30 demands fresh IIT-JEE, rejects remedial steps
May 3rd, 2010 - 12:20 pm ICT by IANS -

Patna, May 3 (IANS) Super 30, a Bihar-based free coaching centre for the poor, has demanded that the Indian Institute of Technology-Joint Entrance Examination (IIT-JEE) be conducted again following blunders in the Hindi version and has rejected remedial measures proposed by the exam board.
A day after the Joint Admission Board of IIT-JEE devised multi-pronged remedial measures, including scaling up the marks of affected candidates, Anand Kumar, director-cum-founder of Super 30, said the corrective steps was not a fair solution.

“It will be injustice to the affected candidates,” Kumar told IANS here.

He said that it would severely hamper chances of those who attempted the question paper in Hindi and urged the exam board to conduct a fresh examination.

“I again demand that a fresh examination be held because there is no other solution in view of blunders that can hit the prospects of hundreds of students from Hindi-speaking states,” Kumar said.

The entrance exam to the prestigious Indian Institutes of Technology was held April 11.

The IIT-JEE board Sunday evolved corrective measures to ensure that genuine candidates were not affected by the errors in the exam. It formulated a point-by-point remedial action and posted the same on the IIT-JEE website.

Kumar, however, said the corrective measures would not help as the errors in the instructions of the Hindi version of the question papers would cost students 48 marks.

He added that Bihar Chief Minister Nitish Kumar had also demanded a re-conduct of the IIT-JEE 2010 after the errors were detected in the Hindi version of the question paper.

**http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/uncategorized/super-30-demands-fresh-iit-jee-rejects-remedial-steps_100357485.html

Nothing can be done..we must take care of AIEEE..and other exams..Nothing will happen here..

We need to add our voice to this. Otherwise it will die down.

http://www.lazybuzz.com/2010/05/students-want-fresh-iit-jee/

http://www.dnaindia.com/academy/report_super-30-operator-demands-fresh-exam-for-iit-jee-2010_1378461

Then the paper must be real bad, I say!

@ Ray
Nope, it wasnt real bad. But it as carried out in a horrendous fashion.