62think of it like this
if x is a rational.. then the answer is obvious :)
x=p/q
now what can you say if x is irrational?
1one thing for x as negative just write x=-x and p = -p we need to prove the same almost now
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Rohan Ghosh
·2009-05-14 22:35:53
what an old problem this was !
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Lokesh Verma
·2009-05-14 22:27:35
Yup this was exactly what I was looking at :)
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Rohan Ghosh
·2009-05-14 22:23:16
let us take first x as a positive real
now let us take p as n
then the real number x-n/q will be left of x ..
It has to cross the zero mark at some point :) so let the value of n such that the expression is nearest to zero and positive be N
then
x-N/q>0 but x-(N+1)/q <0
where as the differenvce between the two is just 1/q
so we have x-N/q <1/q
there are two cases
i) e>1/q
If this is the case then observe that x-N/q <1/q and positive too and hence we get p and q such that
|x-N/q| < e
ii) e<1/q
now as e is real e has to be greater than zero ! so e will be greater that 1/kq where k is an appropriate integer
then now we select again q as kq and do the same
now x-N/kq>0 and x-(N+1)/kq <0
so we have
x-N/kq<1/kq<e
thus as both are positive
|x-N/kq|<e
so in both cases we get p and q such that the following condition is satisfied
9i dont know y u are repeatedly asking proof for such an evident thing byah
wen irrational
p/q <e +x ( x >p/q)
p/q > e+x (x <p/q)
have solutions
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Lokesh Verma
·2009-05-08 21:16:02
it does not matter if e is rational or irrational.
1is e rational ? [i dun think it wud at all mater]
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Lokesh Verma
·2009-05-08 20:59:43
so how do you prove for irrationals?
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skygirl
·2009-05-08 20:57:07
:P sry for that stupid post :P
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Lokesh Verma
·2009-05-08 20:54:35
well that is what we have to show
there exists a p and q such that
LHS is < RHS :P
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skygirl
·2009-05-08 20:50:26
but ur q says |x-p/q| < e !!
how x=p/q ?
then e=0.
but u said e>0...
@!$#%^Q@##!!@$#!!!!!!!!!! [12]
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Lokesh Verma
·2009-05-08 20:47:15
because every rational number can be written as p/q :P
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NO DISRESPECT MEANT TO WONDERFUL PROOFS OF REAL MATHS!!
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skygirl
·2009-05-08 19:41:28
|x- p/q| < e
1) [x-p/q] < e => p/q > (x-e)
p>0 , q>0 => p/q >0
if x<e, p/q ε (0,∞)
if x>e, p/q ε (x-e , ∞)
2) [p/q - x] < e => p/q < (e+x)
so, p/q ε (0 , e+x)
what more [12]
1you give the solution bhaiya[1]
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Lokesh Verma
·2009-04-17 08:19:04
What is obvious to you might not be obvious to me [3]
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Celestine preetham
·2009-04-17 08:17:15
sorry its too obvious to type [3]
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Lokesh Verma
·2009-04-17 08:14:47
celestine .. what do you mean by adjusted!!
That is what the question is..
you have to find the "adjustment" [3]
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Celestine preetham
·2009-04-17 08:01:40
if x ≥ e then p/q can be adjusted to make it anything less than e upto 0 also
if x<e then its obvious
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Lokesh Verma
·2009-04-16 03:44:29
corrected the question .. that went wrong due to html formatting :P
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skygirl
·2009-04-16 03:34:46
is the q complete?
i mean wat is 'e' ?
1is it this or waht bhaiya ??? significance of e kya hai ?
\left|x- p/q \right|> e
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Lokesh Verma
·2009-04-15 20:47:34
haha..
nahi it is for everyone [1]
24""for everyone who is dropping""...............
iska ishara meri taraf to nahin hai naa sir??????[9][9]
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Lokesh Verma
·2009-04-15 20:25:02
now this should be tried..
for everyone who is dropping or in class xii...
