16-5-09 Again easy inequality

a,b,c are positive reals with abc=1

Prove that

(a+(1/b)-1)(b+(1/c)-1)(c+(1/a)-1)≤1

15 Answers

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Asish Mahapatra ·

a+1/b+b+1/c+c+1/a = (a+b+c)+(1/a+1/b+1/c) ≥ 6 (AM-GM)
[ a+b+c ≥ 33abc=3 and 1/a+1/b+1/c ≥ 331/abc = 3]

(AM-GM) again
3(a+(1/b)-1)(b+(1/c)-1)(c+(1/a)-1) ≤ (a+1/b+b+1/c+c+1/a-3)/3

So, 3(a+(1/b)-1)(b+(1/c)-1)(c+(1/a)-1) ≤ (6-3)/3 = 1

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Rohan Ghosh ·

sorry ashish have a look again it isnt correct

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Asish Mahapatra ·

rohan wher am i rong?

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eureka123 ·

@ asish Prove that a+(1/b)-1 is positive to use AM-GM

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Rohan Ghosh ·

you said a+b+c+1/a+1/b+1c=/c >=6

you wrote

3√(a+(1/b)-1)(b+(1/c)-1)(c+(1/a)-1) ≤ (a+1/b+b+1/c+c+1/a-3)/3

but then (a+1/b+b+1/c+c+1/a-3)/3 >=1 not <=1 so the expression to the left need not be always less than equal to 1 It can be greater than one and less than the right exp. too ..

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Rohan Ghosh ·

yes eureka thats another reason ..

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Asish Mahapatra ·

rohan (a+1/b+b+1/c+c+1/a-3)/3 ≥ LHS of waht i wrote
as a+1/b+b+1/c+c+1/a ≥ 6 So, a+1/b+b+1/c+c+1/a-3 ≥3
So, if i put in first one:
≥3/3 ≥ LHS
So, LHS ≤ 1 isnt it?

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Rohan Ghosh ·

ok ashish you wrote (a+1/b+b+1/c+c+1/a-3)/3 >=1 so let it be 1.5

then you get

3√(a+(1/b)-1)(b+(1/c)-1)(c+(1/a)-1) <=1.5

so it can be 1.2 also which is greater than 1 !

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Celestine preetham ·

another IMO easy one ??????

but rohan better post these in olympiad

as far as jee is concerned they r not of much use

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Rohan Ghosh ·

This doesnt require any extra knowledge of inequalities as far my proof is concerned ..

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dimensions (dimentime) ·

just substitute a=(x/y) , b=(y/z) , c=(z/x)

to prove,

(x+y-z)(x+z-y)(y+z-x) ≤ xyz

but this is true if xyz are sides of triangle, !!!

is their ny other condition on a,b,c ?

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Rohan Ghosh ·

hmm no there isnt :(

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Celestine preetham ·

is it so easy ???

im unable to do using AM-GM :( (its the only algebraic inequality in jee)

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Celestine preetham ·

dimensions uve already proved it !!

if x,y,z are sides of triangle ie(x+y-z),(x+z-y),(y+z-x)>0 then true

else if one of these is ≤0 then also true as LHs≤0 while RHS >0

( other cases like 2 of these are - ve is impossible as these would lead to

one of the sides to be ≤0

eg x+z ≤ y
y+z ≤ x
imply z≤0 which is false

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Rohan Ghosh ·

Yes celestine you completed his proof :)

take x+y-z=a
y+z-x=b
z+x-y=c

x+y+z= a+b+c

so , z=(b+c)/2
x=(a+c)/2
y= (a+b)/2

so we have to prove

abc≤(a+b)(b+c)(c+a)/8

but we have (a+b)/2 ≥√ab
similarly the others ≥√bc and √ca

so multiplying them we have the thing ≥abc Proved ..

So good work dimensions and celestine

btw my method was different ;

there can be two possibilities

a+b+c ≥1/a+1/b+1/c (where a b c same as in original equation )

or

a+b+c ≤1/a+1/b+1/c

the original expression is -

(a+1/b-1)(b+1/c-1)(c+1/a-1)

now if one term is negative then the expression becomes negative and hence less than 1

but when two terms are negative

we have eg. a+1/b-1<0 and b+1/c-1 <0

so we have a<1 and b<1 and 1/b<1 => b>1 contradiction;

so all terms need to be positive

Now if a+b+c ≥ 1/a+1/b+1/c

multiply each term by respectively b,c,a (and further abc=1)

= (ab+1-b)(bc+1-c)(ac+1-a)
=(1/c+1-b)(1/a+1-c)(1/b+1-a) = s

applying A.M ≥G.M

3s≤(1/a+1/b+1/c-a-b-c+3)/3

but the (1/a+1/b+1/c-a-b-c+3)/3 <=1 as

we get

1/a+1/b+1/c ≤a+b+c which is true as per assumption

now if

a+b+c≤1/a+1/b+1/c then

multiply the terms in original expression respectively with 1/a,1/b and 1/c

we get

(1+1/ab -1/a)(1+1/bc-1/b)(1+1/ac-1/c)
= (1+c-1/a)(1+a-1/b)(1+b-1/c) = s

now again apply A.M≥G.M
3s≤(a+b+c-1/a-1/b-1/c+3)/3

But (a+b+c-1/a-1/b-1/c+3)/3 <=1 as we get a+b+c ≤ 1/a+1/b+1/c which is again true as per assumption
!

so proved both ways ;

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