1Wht's the probable cut-off in 2011 then ?
And Organic... I agree there's not a single good school in Durgapur except St.Xavier's but it's upto class 10.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/Class-XII-marks-may-play-key-role-in-IIT-entry/articleshow/4930705.cms
CHENNAI: Marks scored in the Plus Two board examinations are likely to become a key determining factor in addition to performance in the Joint
Entrance Examination (JEE) for admission into the prestigious Indian Institutes of Technology (IITs) by 2011.
In a couple of months, a pan-IIT committee, formed by the Union human resource development
ministry to suggest reforms to JEE, is expected to submit its report recommending ways to factor in the marks scored by students in higher secondary examinations while preparing the IIT merit list. A meeting of all IIT directors and JEE representatives in Chennai over the weekend discussed the proposed changes.
``We hope to devise a methodology to compute a normalised Plus Two cut-off eligibility score for each educational board (CBSE, ICSE, and State Boards). If it's approved, then only students who have scored this cut-off mark would become eligible to appear for JEE,'' IIT Madras deputy director V G Idichandy, who is heading the committee, said on Monday. The present eligibility norm of an aggregate score of 60% in Plus Two determined by the IIT standing council, as opposed to 85% recommended by a JEE review committee four years ago, is considered too poor a benchmark.
The move comes in the backdrop of widespread concern among top academicians over the current IIT admission system which is entirely dependent on JEE scores and ignores the board examination results.
The inherent weakness of such a system is that IITs have been able to largely attract only students ``conditioned for JEE'' by high profile coaching centres in Kota and Hyderabad. Such students who lack ``raw intelligence'', as described by IIT Madras director M S Ananth, are at times at sea after entering the campus.
``We are collecting data on Plus Two results of the past four to five years from different boards in all states to base our recommendation on. Much will depend on how we compute an acceptable method to normalise the marks scored in different boards. You have nearly 40 boards of education in India,'' Prof Idichandy said.
However, the even more difficult part is to convince authorities of all the boards to declare Plus Two results within a specified time frame every academic year.
``This will be crucial for us as we have to base JEE on Plus Two results. This is where a common school board, at least at the level of higher secondary education, which has been proposed by HRD minister Kapil Sibal, will help in determining any all-India merit
list,'' he said.
Idichandy acknowledged JEE can't be abolished ``but we want to give as much importance as possible to the performance of students at the school level'' in IIT admissions.
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11I think this dilemma of whether you should attend school or use your own resources to prepare for entrance examination will never end.I agree that there are bad teachers or bad schools etc etc.but have you ever tried to find out the other side of the story? In most of the schools the common perception is if you do well it is because of the extra classes whereas if you dont perform then the teachers are responsible. This destroys whatever the motivation a teacher has.
The schools are not only for your academics. It is here where you learn how to co-exist with others, how to tackle with situations not to your liking and most important you make friends for life.These are the things which count in your life. The lessons of life are more important than that of your books. I have seen toppers failing in their life miserably all because they could not cope with the outside world. Give it a thought!!!
24I still am not convinced by this...I stilll believe schools wasted my time...even though I went to schools 2 times in 6 days
Teachers are pathetic..books are silly..all the content in them is simply copy paste from a foreign book...and u dont like to read tehm....
Thats my view on the topic and it is never going ot change..[1]
I am sorry Nishant sir for disagreeing with u on this topic
62I absolutely agree to celestine..
Ask teh best guys they will never crib about schooll.. Only mediocres do... Even I used to .. (and this message by me is not a pun)
School teachers are not the best agreeed.. but then it is sometimes a mistake to do nothing but complain about them...
The best approach I feel is to goto school with a very open mind and to have fun... School life fun is extremely good and important ...
9well i dont think CBSE 12th board is cramming
It sure helped my jee prep
agreed stupid brds like TN statebrd are crammin but yes we need to change that
24hey cele the only point thats worrying is that ..instead of improving standards of class 11 and 12 books and academics..why are they doing all this stupid thing???
dont u think that clearing boards is alos a cramming thing ???
i surely think it is.....instead in JEE no cramming works except for inorganic chem...
985 % overall req in boards wont affect the really good students aiming for iits and its a really good move i wud say
In our starting class for Electrical engineering . prof asked for where we had taken tuition out of 99 students there , jus 1 girl and 2 boys had prepared from txtbuks n correspondence material alone . All the rest had been under local coaching or hostel coaching
local coaching and classroom coaching is acceptable but hostel type coaching in places like ramaiah and kota makes students neglect school life completely and these are the studs who will be affected by brd exam rule
A normal school going student wud surely get 90% plus if hes fit enuf to qualify jee by normal study method
Now studs who neglect school and absent themselves will be in for a run and itll eliminate the dominance of 14 hr crammin and allow normal guys to get in peacefully
I m really surprised why u guys are worried so much ? In chennai , all guys whove cleared iits are avg 95 % guys
11I agree with u eure.
AIEEE'S mathematics portion is nothing in front of JEE'S mathematics portion.
The ques asked from the maths part in JEE is tougher than AIEEE's one.
24standard does differ sir..we all know how tuff amth was in this yr and last yr JEE especially.....and AIEEE's standard was nothing compared to JEE.....
I am not saying taht AIEEE math was very easy..but I am talking in relative terms.....
One example..live example...About 30 students of our class..who werent that good..gave only AIEEE and not JEE...just becoz tehy couldnt face the JEE level..I hope u got my point now..
62no Eureka.. the standard will not be lowered...
The paper will be set by IITs and also keep in mind that if you were to ask me, I think AIEEE maths is never easier than IIT JEE's
ALl that will matter is concepts...
24but hten standard of JEE will be lowered.....becoz any day AIEEE level is blow JEE level and they wont put JEE level quesitons to studnets who are only giving AIEEE or had plans to do that
62Yes they are contemplating on clubbing IIT JEE and AIEEE together.. but that also ensures that for admission, IIT JEE is there to stay..
also, you should keep in mind that board results come way too late for IITs to not take teh admission test. and almost all colleges that used to keep board marks as criterion have shifted to competitive exams...
So dont be worried beyond a point ...
1Please refer the source to the readers....don't speak blindly.......it's just killing me !!!!!!!!
24really ??
what I heard is that AIEEE and IIT counselling will eb held togethere...
but if htey are taking single paper,,then they are really degrading the standard of IIT-JEE
19have you heard something: from 2011 AIEEE and IIT will be conducted in a single test!!!!
...the top rankers will be preferred for IIT and followed by the AIEEE candidates!!!
1information says itz by 2011[1]...........neways wats da present cut off??
1i think the 10 th boards was indeed fun..n i knw quite a few guys who messed up thier boards but later realised its importance n studid 11th n 12 th very hard.....the government is gettin inspired by the western education system....but isnt considering the fact that they have a completely different mind frame and way of teaching!!!
111 is GMSSS 16 and another is GMSSS 35
If u wanna go regular to school ,go to 16
But iif u wanna take the other way ,go to 35
24very less good schools at 11-12 level...
only one in my city GMSSS-16
1@ Nishant tell me some cities having good school or some name of good schools and more u can start a thread
62I echo the sentiments of all of you including Kaymant sir, eureka etc. I think the HRD has no clue of the grassroot. They have their imaginations and beliefs....
@organic.. you will be surprised how much worse the schools are in the other cities !!
24I favor that mains +screening system...a blend of both subjective and objective...
teh move of class10 boards removal is just to save the face of govt schools getting poor results when compared to private schools..
Why dont they improve their standards first rather than troubling others...
ALso the government is only foucussing on changing things in a big way at the top level ...
but is doing absolutely nothing at grassroot level..they need to improve infrastructure at primary level first...
1i favour subjective iit jee.......i wish they would make it subjective again..........
66Lifting the Class X boards is really a very bad move by the government. That will actually be an undoing for the entire secondary education. The arguments put forth by them was to reduce pressure. However, the pressure is not due to the academics --- look at the NCERT books --- they virtually have nothing in them. The contents are highly superficial.
Probably, this was an act which arose from the despair which is due to several unfortunate incidents of students committing suicides after a bad show. However, these unfortunate incidents are not the result of doing bad only in an exam. The seasoning starts from the very beginning when the child is in junior classes. Their bags are heavier than them and they bear the burden of competition among the parents. The parents compete as to whose child is superior and in the process increases the unnecessary burden on kids. I have seen kids in the kindergarten going for tuition. What's the need for that? Their childhood is getting ruined. They don't have time even for play.
One more reason for this cry of pressure in the secondary level is a lack or absence of moral education in schools.
As far as making the Class XII results a part of the criteria for IIT JEE is concerned, it indeed points towards the degradation of the IIT JEE. The arguments they gave was that this way ppl will take more interest in their XI-XII studies. However, the better way will be to improve the school education which has declined to pathetic conditions in some cases. The IIT JEE already underwent a degradation when the paper was made entirely objective. They should not take such steps as making the XII results mandatory for IIT JEE. That will only help in the decline.
24@ arshad..teh pressure u faced in class 10th made u mentally prepared for the 10 times that pressure u faced in class 11 and 12...
I very much enjoyed my class 10 board experience..and when I gave 12 boards..I wasnt scared becoz I knew that I had given that exam before...
Wait till 3-4 years..when there will be no pressure upon student til class 11...and then suddenly he will have pressure of clas 12 boards and various entrance exams ...they will surely persih under that pressure..
Govt doesnt see this..they only see vote banks..thats all
1i for one believe that stopping 10th boards is a good move....
remember the pressure we were put under in 10th