1sombudho tho chale iit !
which iit are u joining
kgp ??
Well I heard a criticism about TiiT today which i kind of agree to... what are your ideas on the same?
There is a student of mine who visits tiit and he said that the problem is that everyone asks questions which cannot be solved... and that is the basic philosophy on which the questions are asked and answered.......
What do you think? should we solve some simpler problems too?
(This is one apart from various other things ppl have said about tiit)
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1i want to say sumthin tht it is gud to discuss higher level ques(means which r harder nd more tougher nd logical) but i think tht simple ques are continously being neglected by users .....this has happened in the case of mine only thtss why m saying this .............
6everybody needs to understand that a prob lookin easy to sum1 may appear as tuff to another.................
1@sonne...ya joining kgp EE
i agree that most of the easy Qs r left unanswered..b'cos ppl here come 4 more challenging problems...its like" arre bahut aasan hai..koi aur reply kar hi dega...lets try more difficult ones"
341The thread was started to discuss about threads with non JEE problems. There's no point complaining about such behaviour as it takes all kinds to make the world.
Nishant has provided alternative sub-forums like Fundamentals, Olympiad etc to address the needs of members who like to discuss beyond JEE subjects. They can certainly use them.
341Well, this is an online forum and so the same market forces that drive a market will be mirrored here. Seen from that point of view, the average IIT aspirant will leave the simple problems unanswered as he has nothing to gain by spending time thinking about them or typing out a solution.
Paradoxically, from the senior member's point of view, the feeling is, "this will anyway be answered sometime". Less charitably, "if you need to ask such questions, hmm, you might like to reset your goals".
So a practical solution is: If you really need a solution, get in touch with a senior member, and point out you need help. This can be over email too, if the member feels comfortable with it
11See all of u guys. whatever be the case but this trend continues that simpler problems are not answered and sometimes simpler problems are not even questioned coz students feel shy questioning n answering dat.
We have to change our state of mind for this. We need to understand that sometimes these simpler questions can also give headache. We are here for helping ourselves as well as others.
And students who think that solving tougher problems can only take them through it, then they should twice or thrice about it. Coz its the concepts which will take u through, n the same concept is applied in both simpler n tougher problems. There is an art of problem solving which u gotta practice.
And as subhomoy has correctly remarked, "WE HAVE TO BE BESHARAM BOTH IN QUESTIONING N ANSWERING SIMPLER PROBLEMS"
Enjoy.
341@sandeep - you must try to know enough before you shoot off your mouth like that. Soumik had set his sights on ISI (he even started a blog of sorts if i remember). There will be some who find the present JEE pattern, which emphasizes speed over basics, quite distasteful. Its started a pattern of shortcuts teaching which is destroying the beauty of these subjects. JEE would have lost its appeal for such students.
Not all have the courage to follow their heart and I'm proud that Soumik stuck to his goal and achieved it.
1solving high level problems wont help you for JEE.. look at students like Soumik, who used to solve very high-level maths questions but couldnt make it to IIT .
49arre that is what i cannot understand!
i am then the greatest besharam who had asked most of the simple problems and yet everythng had got answered.
and yes, quite a bit of them remain unanswered but the reason is not that they are being ignored but that the users might have UN-NOTICED doubt in the question themselves and now the "shy" factor comes to force. people who can solve ultra olympiad types feel shy to clear their basic doubt in a PUBLIC FORUM!
but i think to succeed in education "in-jaise" sharam ki hadd paar karna hoga! ;)
we ll have to become "besharam" LOL!!
49arre that is what i cannot understand!
i am then the greatest besharam who had asked most of the simple problems and yet everythng had got answered.
and yes, quite a bit of them remain unanswered but the reason is not that they are being ignored but that the users might have UN-NOTICED doubt in the question themselves and now the "shy" factor comes to force. people who can solve ultra olympiad types feel shy to clear their basic doubt in a PUBLIC FORUM!
but i think to succeed in education "in-jaise" sharam ki hadd paar karna hoga! ;)
we ll have to become "besharam" LOL!!
62Well.. the thing here is that I am fine with people discussing "tougher problems"
the difficulty is when people dont reply to simpler problems.... [1]
I mean ignoring of a lot of simpler problems which remain unreplied.. and the fact that people feel shy to ask simple questions...
1yes.........
especially ricky aka gallardo.....solves high class probs
but not all can.....
btw....no contest needs such an high level at +2 stage....
and at higher levels ....eventually everyone scales the same height...
har koi ramanujan nahi hota , har ko hardy nahi hota....
hota toh normal insaan .....supergenius onki duniya alag hai.....
use alag rehene do....
1well.......post a warning b4 every "hard" question
CAUTION: HARD QUESTION AHEAD
may damage your brain. Question contributor and site owners do not take responsibility.
similar for "hard" solutions :P
1IITJEE is not about solving tough questions but much more than that. What you need is accuracy, speed & patience and obviously you need to master all the basics.
Not that very tough questions are asked, neither have been asked but IITJEE has some special level of difficulty which one automatically realizes when he is 100% into his preparations.
Asking or solving too hard questions may not help it. I wonder if IITJEE asks for over intelligence. But on forums like TIIT or goIIT this has been quite a fashion. A trend , following which you can get sympathy or respect from the community all of which are useless. And the thing which should hurt is that this over excellency is shown by regular members mostly.This over stuff makes the forum boring.
6yup i agree
its not only abt IIT
we shudn't study to be successful
but study to be capable.............
39No qualms about high level questions being posted; but you would do better by classifying them as per difficulty level, perhaps by a 5-star meter. Even then, newbies would abuse that system and post every question as a 5-star rated question, when all it would be is some simple but time consuming problem.
Rather I'd suggest you split targetiit into two different sub-forums. One for competitive preparation, and the other for questions on which the mind wanders, or for high level questions. Include the olympiad section in the second sub-forum. Even then, we would risk the chance of no one replying in that sub-forum due to high level questions.
You can't help about that. Like SR(soumikamandal) said, not everyone is a genius.
Sonne has given the most balanced solution for that...pursue your favourite subjects but give more time to competitive prep; after all the competitive prep will decide your career and the favourite subjects may not, because in this age you can get 30 Einsteins per 7 continents, as opposed to 1 Einstein per 7 continents in the 20th century. They will hog up your "This is my favourite subject, I'll excel in this, competitive prep doesn't matter" areas. Then only your competitive preparation will be left to save you.
On a sidenote, if you really want people to attempt high level questions, you will have to guide them on every such question and develop their interest in these problems. Not everyone will respond the same way however.
23i didnt get it , wer is d problem ?
no one is forced or restricted here upto a certain level , those who are interested will respond, wat else can be done ?
and its not dat ppl here are not interested in higher level topics, there are manyyyyyy topics wich are very easy for many ppl out here but dey still dont reply to one's query
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1Kuch Jyada Hi Ho Gaya , [1][1] Mujhe Dar Tha Ki Aplog Mujhe High Class Problem Dene Ke Liye Nikal Na Dein . . . . . . . . . . . .( Just Joking [3][3] )
1perfectly said by shubonmoy
but my sir used to tell the class : u can do ur Phd level thinking after u make into iit ...first make it and then do ur research
i feel this statement has everything inside it ...
neverthless there are guys (mostly in top 500 ) who manage to do both .....
49well....
i have been using targetiit regularly for many months now...
and have a complete set of frnds in here using this...
well as the name suggests "TARGET IIT" if that is the only goal of this site..then yes the topics are a bit so-called "high" level!
and yes may be solving those problem is never going to intensify our fast problem solving techniques required for a typical "competitive" type exams where "smart work" wins over "genius developement" and "hard work".
but then what are we studying for?
is IIT-JEE the end of world?
absolutely "no"
i feel that so far i.e. till class 10 we had been exposed to only a set of things and our field to expand our knowledge was mostly limited.
now as we get to +2 level then we have a syllabus which if thought of approximately hardly sums up to "SEVEN MONTHS" of "HARD" work. Less if not more.
gathering those +2 basics..we have 2 paths lying ahead.
(i) limit urself to the syllabus and go venture into the world of speed adhering and tune up your problem solving skills. After all u get into iits for not how much u know but because u can solve problems faster than 99.99% other candidates.
(ii) the second path open is completely opposite. yes u do not stop solving problems or whatever, but u do not limit urself to the basic boundary of "IITJEE syllabus".
instead u let urself free for the "rest-of-thngs" and get ur insatiate soul satiated from it.
i agree by second method u MAY lose chance of getting into iits!
but as i say "IIT is not the end of world".
let me give a specific example of a TIITAN.(name not mentioned)
the boy is a superb genius in organic chemistry; not a problem, i think, is present which he cant solve. he has gained much of the extreme exposure to organic. But unfortunately he flunks iit.
But he doesnt lose anything; no one will ever to snatch away the knowledge he has gained. And i am sure in future life he might get more successful than the IITANS "if he continues to sharpen his flare for his subject"
"bhats" apart
i am in support of the "off syllabus" "high level" threads most of which i cannot solve :P
but i try to solve them and that what makes the difference.
but the people who are just the category one people for whom iit is the end of world and are a bit distressed with the upcoming "off syllabus" "high level" threads most of which they cannot solve then they have a simple way out just ignore those threads and delve into the intricacies of the superb threads of the targetiit of the past!!
and i am in COMPLETE SUPPORT of the threads as i feel i have gained many things everytime i have looked at them
may be initially i used to get depressed that "how little i know" :P
but then i take knowing them as a challenge and the depression vanishes
after all "what is life that has no challenge? :P"
cheers!!