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Lokesh Verma
·2009-01-29 23:57:59
sorry wrong hint.... :(
:P
I think you will have to take the fdifference ...
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tapanmast Vora
·2009-01-30 00:05:32
sir,
didnt understandhow will taking diff help.......
then how will u introduce the fact that f(x) = 5 has 4 integrL soln??????
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Hari Shankar
·2009-01-30 08:24:09
these kind of problems are well known.
f(x) - 5 = (x-n1) (x-n2)(x-n3)(x-n4) P(x), where P(x) is a polynomial with integer coefficients
If f(n) = 7, then f(n) - 5 = 2 i.e. (n-n1) (n-n2)(n-n3)(n-n4) P(n) = 2
Now the factors of 2 are ±1, ±2. and remember that only one of ±2 can appear on LHS. Also (n-n1), (n-n2), (n-n3), (n-n4) are all distinct. By pigeonhole principle, we must two of the roots equal, but that contradicts the problem condition
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tapanmast Vora
·2009-01-30 08:43:21
COOL APPROACH PROPHET!!!!!!!!
hey prophet jus didnt get dat last bit.........
how did u prove dat 4 polynomial = 7 has 0 zero roots.........
in short didnt get it frm here on,
"remember that only one of ±2 can appear on LHS. Also (n-n1), (n-n2), (n-n3), (n-n4) are all distinct."
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tapanmast Vora
·2009-01-30 08:46:07
i read the pigeonhole principle.... got it...... but how did u apply it to our situation????
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Hari Shankar
·2009-01-30 09:08:45
The numbers 1, -1 and 2 (or -2) are to be assigned to n-n1, n-n2, n-n3 and n-n4. So some two of them will be equal say n-n2 and n-n4. This means n2 = n4. But that is forbidden.
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tapanmast Vora
·2009-01-30 09:11:51
why do you say only one out of
+2 and -2 has to be assigned????
i m sorry if this que sounds a lil dumb....
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Subash
·2009-01-30 09:13:26
hello mr prophet i want to ask you something many terms that you use in your proofs i havent even seen or heard them before
are they really in the jee level please reply
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tapanmast Vora
·2009-01-30 09:17:38
PROPHET SIR!!!!
I M RAELLY SORRY, I DINNO U WER A TARGETIIT NOBLE!!!!
PL. FORGIVE ME.......
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Hari Shankar
·2009-01-30 18:52:35
@tapan, hey no probs man. BTW, even I did not know I was a "noble". what is that?
@subash - it would be better if you gave me specific examples. Now, pigeonhole principle was something I learnt in JEE coaching. Its a basic principle in combinatorics and is just plain common sense with a title! Do learn it, its uses are varied
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tapanmast Vora
·2009-01-30 22:01:34
ur profile reads u as targetIIT noble.
sir i also wanted to know y did u say that only one out of +2/-2 can appear on the LHS??
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Hari Shankar
·2009-01-30 23:46:11
Thats because the product of those integers is 2. So both 2 and -2 cannot appear on LHS