equations pls help

1)find number of real roots of \sum_{r=0}^{r=2n}{}x^r/r! =0 ,(n\epsilon N)

2)Find the number of cubic polynomial p(x) with integral coefficients such that for three distinct integers a,b and c, p(a)=b,p(b)=c and p(c)=a

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Hari Shankar ·

This is a well known problem from USAMO in 70's

http://www.goiit.com/posts/list/algebra-polynomial-prob-39369.htm

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Shubhodip ·

i have got another solution (simple?) for the 1st one

we have f(x) = f'(x) + x2n/ 2n!

clearly f(x) has a minimum

let z corresponds to the minimum value,z≠0

so f(z)= f'(z) + z2n/2n! f'(z)= 0

or f(z)>0 no solution

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Hari Shankar ·

In fact i just recalled reading recently that IMO 2006 problem #5 was based on this problem. You can read it up at
www.artofproblemsolving.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?p=572821&sid=97614cee98271130e32a440de98d4cfb#p572821

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Shubhodip ·

yes sir.......:P

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Hari Shankar ·

That would be true if P(x)≥x for all x like say if P(x) = x2-x+1

As a counterexample if P(x) = x2-3x+2, then

P(2) = 0<2.

But P(P(2)) = P(0) = 2>0=P(2).

edit: in the post #9, the last line should read S2n>e-y>0

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Shubhodip ·

@Sir if P(x)=x
P(p(x))= P(x)=x so whats wrong in case of P(x)<x

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Hari Shankar ·

How does p(a)<a imply that p(p(a))<p(a)

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shahrukh ·

THANK YOU PROPHET SIR. I AM ALSO CURIOUS ABOUT THE POST #7

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Shubhodip ·

#12 correction P(a)-P(b) is divisible by a-b where P(x) is a polynomial with integer co efficients

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Shubhodip ·

just took the concept P(a)-P(b)=(a-b)k from there..(where P(x) is polynomial)

here goes the proof

P(a)-P(b)= (a-b)L=(b-c)

P(b)-P(c)=(b-c)M=(c-a) (L,M,N are positive integer)

P(c)-P(a)=(c-a)N=(a-b)

we have LMN=1 possible if and only if L=M=N=1

so a-b=b-c or a+c=2b ----1)

and a-b=c-a or b+c=2a------2)

from 1) and 2) we have a=b=c ,a contradiction so proved

@prophet sir by the way sir what was wrong in my proof #7

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pandit ·

i think both answers are 0

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Shubhodip ·

thanks sir......what abt the 2nd one/?

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Hari Shankar ·

Here's a solution at jee level:

As you said for x≥0, the expression is +ve

If x<0 then let x=-y so that y>0. Then we have

S = 1 - y + \frac{y^2}{2!}-...+\frac{y^{2n}}{2n!}

If 0<y<1 then we have

S = (1 - y) + \left(\frac{y^2}{2!}-\frac{y^3}{3!} \right)...+\frac{y^{2n}}{2n!}>0

If y≥2n, then

S = 1 + \left(\frac{y^2}{2!}-y \right)...+\left(\frac{y^{2n}}{2n!}-\frac{y^{2n-1}}{(2n-1)!}\right)>0

If 1<y<2n, then let

S_{2n}=1-y+\frac{y^2}{2!}-...+\frac{y^{2n}}{2n!}

S_{2n+1}=S_{2n} - \frac{y^{2n+1}}{(2n+1)!}<S_{2n}

Also

S_{2n+2}=S_{2n} + \frac{y^{2n+2}}{(2n+2)!} - \frac{y^{2n+1}}{(2n+1)!}<S_{2n}

This means we have for 1<y<2n

S_{2n}>S_k \forall k>2n and hence S_{2n}>e^{2y}>0

Hence no real roots

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Shubhodip ·

prophet sir...pls check this two......

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Shubhodip ·

2)we can assume a>b>c without any loss of generality (as they are distinct)

given p(a)=b

or, p(a)<a

or, p(p(a))<p(a)<a

or, p(p(p(a)))<p(p(a))<p(a)<a

given p(a)=b p(b)=c p(c)=a

so p(p(p(a)))=a which is a contradiction so no such polynomial exists

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Shubhodip ·

trying the 2nd one....////

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Shubhodip ·

here goes the first one...

clearly no solution for x>0

(at x=0 value of the function is 1, thereafter it increases only(monotonic))

in order to consider the case when x<0 let us apply theorem of remainder of taylor formula

acc. to this
e^x=\sum_{r=0}^{r=2n}{}x^r/r! + R(n)

where R(n)= [x(2n+1)/(2n+1)!]ekx where 0<k<1

now for all x<0 R(n) is negative

so \sum_{r=0}^{r=2n}{}x^r/r! =ex-R(n)

or \sum_{r=0}^{r=2n}{}x^r/r! >0

for all x<0

so no solution

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pandit ·

to be frank , i dont have a solid proof for both

for the second one i think only function satisfying f(f(f(x)))=x....
is f(x)=xi know its very crude..

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shahrukh ·

answers are correct..pls give explanation...

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