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find the number of solutions :

x^{2}+4x+1=\sqrt{x+3}-2

20 Answers

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eureka123 ·

for max solutions...
x2+4x+3=√x+3
Squaring..
x4+8x3+6x2+23x+6=0

put x=-x
=> x4-8x3+6x2-23x+6=0

Using descartes rule of sign change
max zero positive roots
max 4 negative roots

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Lokesh Verma ·

Yes this si fine..

by the original question, real roots should be greater than -3

Are you getting that..

Really sorry I din make too much sense of your post #9 ..

11
Devil ·

What I did was this....
Since x=-3 is the obvious soln, we look for other solutions, thus we get the eqn
\sqrt{x+3}(x+1)=1
From which we have
(x+3)=\frac{1}{(x+1)^2}
Now put (x+3)=t.....BTW is the other root an extraneous one?

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Lokesh Verma ·

how did you get that equation..

if you should have had a √t ...

to eliminate that you would probably have had a 4th degree equation!

11
Devil ·

I'm in total confusion.....
From where i lrft in my last post, we can clearly see f(23)>0 and f(2)<0 - so that gives us 1 root over there.....Again f(3)>0, so that's 1 root in that interval from 2 to 3....So all in all 3 roots!!!!!!!

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eureka123 ·

hey arshad..

in ur post #7

it should be 2 intersection points in 2nd quadrant....

i know it was a typo form u

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Lokesh Verma ·

I think graph kills it...

But why Bhargav gave it is to see if you can see

f(x) = f-1(x)

I think that is why this dicussion is moving for so long..

24
eureka123 ·

i wrote that because i didnt find any relevance of this discussion stretching so long.....
becoz everything is clear from graph ,,,

so whats the real problem ???????????????????

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Dr.House ·

eureka , i donot find any relevance of your post here.

anyone would have done it. so wats the use in finding the max possibility? it leads us no where here .

24
eureka123 ·

i am not saying all these will really exist...but these are max possibllty

39
Dr.House ·

are u sure???

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Arshad ~Died~ ·

i dont think three roots are possible.....

11
Devil ·

Edit :- t=3 gives a positive value for f(t), so that gives 3 solutions.....nowhere after that the derivative evanishes, thus no more than 3......roots.

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Devil ·

Well this qsn has 2 solutions.....
Firstly -3 is an obvious soln....
Then u have f(t)=t^3-4t^2+4t-1, where t=x+3
f'(t)=(3t-2)(t-2)
And from 2nd derivative test f(t) has a max at t=\frac{2}{3} and min at t=2, so f(t) must cross the axis once in between, thus 2 solutions......

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Dr.House ·

yup thats the way to go...

right dude

1
Arshad ~Died~ ·

i drew the graph of
x^2 + 4x + 3 and
√(x+3)
from it
i got 2 intersection points in the 3rd quadrant

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Dr.House ·

will my confirmation give u the anser? u finding yourself will be the right spirit

anyways for the answer , no one yet?

i want explanations arshad and organic...........

1
Arshad ~Died~ ·

i think two solutions........

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Dr.House ·

i want the number of solutions ; find that please :)

1
Arshad ~Died~ ·

one solution at
x=-3
but i think this question has more to it than meets the eye....

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