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kaymant
·2010-07-18 13:53:12
By symmetry, they must meet at the center (lets call it O). Suppose we look at the motion of A.
Taking OA as the initial line and the fact that OA = a√3, the distance r of the particle A from O at any angle θ, is given by the relation
r = a√3 e &ndash √3 θ
which gives the trajectory in the polar coordinate
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Sonne
·2010-07-19 01:08:44
after asking my friend about this problem (an air 215 in jee 10)
he immediately recollected that it is from 200 PPP the first question
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Sonne
·2010-07-20 01:42:01
sir can u post the solution :)
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Ricky
·2010-07-20 05:56:32
Fact Is That The Solution To This Problem Gives An Interesting Result . A Curve Traced Out By A
Particle In Which The Radius Vector Forms A Constant Angle With The Tangent , Is Known As
LOGARITHMIC SPIRAL . This In Fact Was Discovered By Jacob Bernoulli In The Year 1693 . Its
General Equation Is given By -
r = a e b θ
Where " a " And " θ " Are As Shown By Kaymant Sir In His Diagram . The Factor " b " Is Given By ,
b = tan α ,
Whence , " α " = 60 o ------ In This Case .
So , b = √ 3 .
And " a " = a√ 3 ------ Again As Shown By Kaymant Sir .
So , The Trajectory Is -
r = a√ 3 e √ 3 θ
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Sonne
·2010-07-20 06:02:48
well i guess my differential equations are giving the answer
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Ricky
·2010-07-20 06:03:10
- dadt = v - v cos 2 π3 ,
So , - dadt = 3 v2 , not √3 v2 .
But Here , r = a√3 .
So , - drdt = √ 3 v2 .
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ARKA(REEK)
·2010-07-20 06:10:43
v - v cos 2∩/3 gives v + v cos ∩/3 = answer of Sonne.
Ricky ... u r wrong!!!
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Sonne
·2010-07-20 06:21:35
-\frac{\mathrm{dr}}{\mathrm {dt}}=\frac{\sqrt {3}v}{2} \\ rd\theta\cos 60^0 =vdt \\ \\ \frac{\mathrm{d\theta}}{\mathrm {dt}}=\frac{2v}{r}
-\int_{\frac{a}{\sqrt{3}}}^{r}{dr}=\frac{\sqrt{3}v}{2}\int_{0}^{t}{dt} \\ \frac{a}{\sqrt{3}}-r=\frac{\sqrt{3}vt}{2} \\ r=\frac{2a-3vt}{2\sqrt{3}} \\ \\ d\theta=\frac{4\sqrt{3}vdt}{2a-3vt} \\ -\theta =\frac{4}{\sqrt{3}}\int_{0}^{t}\frac{d(-3vt)}{2a-3vt} \\ -\frac{\sqrt{3}}{4}\theta=\ln{\left( 1-\frac{3vt}{2a}\right)} \\ e^{-\frac{\sqrt{3}}{4}\theta}=1-\frac{2a-2\sqrt{3}r}{2a} \\
e^{-\frac{\sqrt{3}}{4}\theta}=1-\frac{2a-2\sqrt{3}r}{2a} \\ e^{-\frac{\sqrt{3}}{4}\theta}=\frac{\sqrt{3}r}{a} \\ \\ r=\frac{a}{\sqrt{3}}e^{-\frac{\sqrt{3}}{4}\theta}
damn it missed by a factor of 4 in exponent :( :( [17]!!
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kaymant
·2010-07-20 09:41:40
We can take up a generalized case: A particle starting from a distance r0 from a fixed point (O in the following figure) moves with a constant speed v such that the velocity vector always forms an angle α (0<α<π/2) with the line joining the point O to the current location of the particle.
In a time dt, the particle moves an infinitesimal distance v dt. It's easy to see that
r dθ = v dt sin α ------- (1)
and
|dr| = v dt cos α
In our case, dr < 0, so that |dr| = - dr. Hence
&ndash dr = v dt cos α ------ (2)
Dividing (2) by (1), we get
&ndash dr r dθ =cot α
i.e. &ndash dr r =cot α dθ
Integrating and using the initial condition i.e. at θ=0, r = r0, we get
r = r0 e&ndash θ cot α
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Sonne
·2010-07-20 20:02:49
oh i realise my mistake
-\frac{\mathrm{dr}}{\mathrm {dt}}=\frac{\sqrt {3}v}{2} \\ \frac{rd\theta}{\cos 60^0} =vdt \\ \\ \frac{\mathrm{d\theta}}{\mathrm {dt}}=\frac{v}{2r}
now we get
e^{-{\sqrt{3}}\theta}=1-\frac{2a-2\sqrt{3}r}{2a} \\ e^{-{\sqrt{3}}\theta}=\frac{\sqrt{3}r}{a} \\ \\ r=\frac{a}{\sqrt{3}}e^{-{\sqrt{3}}\theta}
sir is my prof right now
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jangra28192manoj jangra
·2010-07-22 01:41:00
is it neccesary to do this type of sums for preparing for jee.i mean radius vector type sums are not in jee syllabus.
is it neccesary to do irodov problems.