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Mass of a string varies with its length as m = 0.1L where m is in kg and L is in cm. A block of mass 5kg is hanging to its lower end. A force F = 12 N acts on the block in vertically downward direction as shown in the figure. The entire system is kept in an elevator which moves up with an acceleration of 2 m/s^2. Length of the string is 10 cm. Height of the elevator is 4m. Assume mass of (string + mass) system to be particle like at the point of interest. Take g = 10 m/s^2.

14. Tension at a distance 10 cm above the block is
(a) 60 N (b) 70 N (c) 72 N (d) 84 N

15. Force on the string from the ceiling of the elevator is
(a) 60 N (b) 70 N (c) 72 N (d) 84 N

16. Suppose the string connecting mass to ceiling of the elevator breaks at the point P (at ceiling; see figure) after some time but the force F continues to act. The acceleration of the (string + block) system just after the string breaks assuming (string + block) system to be particle is
(a) 2 m/s2 upward
(b) zero
(c) 10 m/s2 downward
(d) 12 m/s2 downward

27 Answers

1
Ritika ·

Hmm....wel, the tension on the string 10cm abuv d block brings us 2 d ceiling only, rite?
d in dat case, i'm considerin d wt. of the string also.

so
(5+1) x 12 = 72N + 12N (coz given) = 84N.
wer m i rong?

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tapanmast Vora ·

ans to batao pl!!!

is it 84 for 14?

1
skygirl ·

okie [3] waise sahi ho tum... question me mention karna tha... par woh meri galti nahi hai [3]

3
iitimcomin ·

i dunno .. i assumed wrt lift only [3].............

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skygirl ·

we generally calculate wrt to ground.. if not mentioned otherwise... isnt it ?

3
iitimcomin ·

UR ACCN IS WRT LIFT OR WRT OUTSIDE???????????????

IF WRT LIFT ..... ITZ JUST LIKE THE BALL IS IN A PLACE HAVIN g = 12........

IF wrt ground ... then ur ans. is rite.......

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skygirl ·

well... force 12N continues to act...

but then total force on the system = 6X10 +12 =72

so acc= 72/6 ..

why 84 ??

the upward movement of lift wont affect it .... [12]

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iitimcomin ·

84/6..or am i sleepin....u said force continues to act ...

1
skygirl ·

how 14 ???????????

3
iitimcomin ·

ITS 14 .....

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Ritika ·

nd d 2nd one den? y ain't ny1 tokin bout d 3rd one..coz it's 12 only?

1
Ritika ·

ok...so v do hv 2 consider d wt. of string also....eeyyeess??

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iitimcomin ·

UR RITE RITI ..( IF I CAN CALL U DAT) ... ITS 84 ONLY ....

3
iitimcomin ·

UR ALREADY ZOOMING INTO THE SYSTEM ..............

U CAN TAKE IT AS A SEPERATE PLACE WHICH HAS AN ACCN DUE TO GRAVITY 12 m/s2

now here when in lift we see that the point of contact is stationary wrt us .......

thus ..........T -R =0 .... R = T .......................IS ANOTHER WAY OF LUKIN AT IT ..[1]...

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virang1 Jhaveri ·

14
d)

15
c)

16
d)

3
iitimcomin ·

15 U WUDA DONE .......

84 - R = 6*2 ... RITE ............

UR ACCOUNTING FOR THE ACCN OF THE SYSTEM TWICE ..........

1
Ritika ·

I don't think. That's the prob. But sumthin 2 do wit energy conservation mayb? By a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong shot. No, i tried solvin it without d ht.

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Dr.House ·

ritika. why did u think u need it?

1
Ritika ·

k, sum1 pls tel, ht. of lift is immaterial here na....

1
skygirl ·

well my ans are: 14d ,15c, 16d...

obviously not tukka... i do have reasons... but i wanna match it...

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virang1 Jhaveri ·

Sorry
14
d)

T-Mg-m*lg-F=(M+m)a
T-50-10-12=6*2
T = 12+12+50+10
T = 84 N

3
iitimcomin ·

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1
Ritika ·

den, i'm guessin 'd' 4 d 2nd one.

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Dr.House ·

from point of suspension

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Ritika ·

Nd, force from the ceiling means from d lift? Or is it referrin to d pt. of suspension?

1
Ritika ·

Is d 1st one 'a' or 'c'?
I'm gettin 'c' or else 'd'. Confusion aache.

1
skygirl ·

well how 14 ka a ???

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