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tri methyl methane magnesium bromide on adding heavy water gives what ?

ans gvn (CH3)3 -C-D

but why isnt it ( CD3)3-C-D ??????

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voldy ·

i'm not able to understand your doubt da. plz bolo .cele

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Celestine preetham ·

superb sky [240]

u r truly no 1 in chem here i think

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greatvishal swami ·

hmm sky wat u said is correct but stearic is one factor too

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skygirl ·

no this is not due to steric hindrance...

i saw it today...

this is called beta-secondary isotone effect. [saw in pradeep's .. this came in CBSE-PMT once]

well the reason is: (CH3)3-C+ is more stable than (CD3)3C+

because of hyperconjugation of C-H bonds which can easily break ..
but C-D bond being stronger cant break easily so here hyperconjugation effct is lesss.

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greatvishal swami ·

yeah this doesnt happen due to stearic hindrance

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skygirl ·

this doecnt happen may be becoz of steric hindrance...

not sure..

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Celestine preetham ·

ok

now i thought the product wud react with more D20 to give ( CD3)3-C-D to maintain eq constant ratio for rxn

( CD3)3-C-D → (CH3)3 -C-D

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voldy ·

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voldy ·

no doesn't look like so .please tell . I'll post one thing is it what you've wanted ? just tell ok ???

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Celestine preetham ·

leave it sri i think i had gone tooo far

i mixed up chemical knietics and thermodynamics with this organic rxn

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Manish Shankar ·

the carbanion formed is very unstable reacts with D2O to form

(CH3)3CD

why D will replaced be H?

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Mani Pal Singh ·

celestine bhai refer to NCERT bond dissociation energies of both D and H r given in the chapter "HYDROGEN" and u may confirm through there

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voldy ·

well celestine what's your doubt . view this as a acid base reaction da. Then you'll be comfortable ??

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Celestine preetham ·

so acc to ur post C-D bond stronger than C-H so rxn tends to favour the formation of ( CD3)3-C-D

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Celestine preetham ·

superb

sky

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ANKIT MAHATO ·

faltu mein sky halla macha rahi hai ... ;)

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skygirl ·

hmm... now manipal.. y did u delete your post about C-H bond stronger than C-D one?

ppl will think m mad now... shouting at no one [3]

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skygirl ·

NO!!!!!!!!

C-D BOND IS STRONGER THAN C-H

REASON: MASS OF D > MASS OF H

NOW, FOR ANY BOND TO BREAK, THERE MUST BE SOME VIBRATION..

BUT VIBRATION REQUIRED INCREASES WITH INCREASE IN MASS.

AND GREATER THE VIBRATION REQD, GREATER THE BOND-DISSOCATION ENERGY.

SO..

ITS DIFFICULT TO BREAK C-D THAN C-H..

N.B :- THIS IS IMP!

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Celestine preetham ·

i thought due to eq btw C-H and C-D in prescence of excess D2O , some H2O also formed ???

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Mani Pal Singh ·

his occurs through SN1 mechanism as (CH3-) group is a bulky group and will pose steric hindrance

The R+ formed is unstable and rapidly undergoes nucleophilic attack

the whole CH3- group will remain intact and D will attack to give the req product!!!!!!!!!

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