pls help me

33 Answers

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sriraghav ·

@sri...see this link.... similar kind of rearrangement..
http://targetiit.com/iit_jee_forum/posts/urgent_organic_4864.html

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voldy ·

spiro is possible not bicyclo

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voldy ·

why did iitcoming delete the post ??

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iitimcomin ·

q2,3>1 can be expalined as in 3 its a secondary in 1 its a primary carbocation ....

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Asish Mahapatra ·

then will it be spiro[4,3]octane and why wont there be bicyclo?

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voldy ·

@ iitcoming is that the only thing ??/

@ asish .

please give me the steps thru which te yur transformation proceeds

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Asish Mahapatra ·

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voldy ·

no dear that's not allowed .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bredt's_rule

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Asish Mahapatra ·

then what will the answer be of the above one ? will it stop at the step before my final answer?

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voldy ·

no asish

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Asish Mahapatra ·


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voldy ·

@ asish .

yes

@ sriraghav

it's pinacol-pinacolone rearrangement . not this one. this's magner weermein .
the stabilising factor is not there.

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Asish Mahapatra ·

try the others please

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voldy ·

@ asish . what are your answers ?? do tell them and give your mechanism
these are quite easy . u should be able to do them

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Asish Mahapatra ·

Q6. and Q7 are the same basically but i dont kno whether the 5 memberd ring structure or seven memberd ring structure will be major. According Morrison Boyd.. the ring strain is the same in cyclopentane as well as cycloheptane .. So, i dont know which one will be major

In Q8. I dunno whether first ring expansion will occur to give cyclohexane or whether first hydiride shift to 2° carbocation and then ring expansion to cyclopentane like structur.. Acc to our sir it will be the second one but in a buk i found answer first one.

Q9. Q10.. ive no idea

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voldy ·

yes 6 , 7 are the samt. just think a bit more. you're near . :) just a lil bit

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voldy ·

8) wat rnig expansion ??? dint get you dear . wat reaction do u think this is ????

name it

9) and 10) will give u another two days try . it's not very difficult .

one Q . have you studied alkenes and alkynes ?? or you're only solving them without proper theory study ? only asking nothing wrong meant

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msp ·

for the second qn III>I>II (resonance structures)

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Asish Mahapatra ·

@sri bicyclo[3,3,0]octane like

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voldy ·

first one, second one is fine

third one I think you migh t be there but nomenclatuer might not be right . just check whether you're using right nomen . give structure

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Asish Mahapatra ·

i think:
1. nothing
2. ring expansion
3. sumthing like bicyclo[3,3,0]octane

rest i dont know

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voldy ·

what do you think will happen ??

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Asish Mahapatra ·

thx bhaiyya
next question:

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Manish Shankar ·

DBE=(2a+2-b+d)/2

where
a=no. of C atoms
b=no. of monovalent atoms (H, Cl, Br...)
d=no. of trivalent atoms (N,P...)
O,S does no play role here
so for C5H10

it is (2*5+2-10)/2=1

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Asish Mahapatra ·

ok . but how do u calculate it? For example for C5H10?

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Manish Shankar ·

its not that much important

it actually tells the the degree of unsaturation in the compound

like if the compound is C5H10 then DBE is 1

that means the compound is monocyclic or has one double bond

which you can tell directly seeing the compound

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Asish Mahapatra ·

Q3. What is Double Bond Equivalent?

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Honey Arora ·

2nd explaination for acidic char. b/w 1st and 2nd
due to presence on methyl group in 2nd which is highly EWG,acidity increases

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msp ·

3 will have the least acidity becos the C=O gp is present ortho wrt to the alkyl gp. so it deactivates the acidic character for the molecule.

between I,II and IV

the nitro gp is a strong electron withdrawing gp so it increasses the acidic character for the molecule

so IV th will have the most acidic character.

between I and II

II is said to be more acidic becos the oxygen atom which have a power to attract the electron towards itself makes the carbon atom in the C=O bond to have more partial positive charge compared to I so it is more acidic

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Honey Arora ·

i hd given order for stability..........

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