22-09-09 Find the Minima

Find the minimum value of a^2+b^2

given that x^4+ax^3+bx^2+ax+1=0 has only real roots...

(The question is not very very difficult question.. if you recall the trick often used in solving 4th degree polynomials...)

10 Answers

1
decoder ·

is the answer 52

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Lokesh Verma ·

no.. i think it is far from the answer...
what was your logic btw?

1
decoder ·

sir i just use the expansion of (x+y)4

(x+y)^{4}=^{4}C_{0}x^{4} + ^{4}C_{1}x^{3}y + ^{4}C_{2}x^{2}y^{2} +^{4}C_{3}x^{1}y^{3} + ^{4}C_{4}y^{4}

now by comparing y=1 and a=4 and b=6.

using A.M \geq G.M

\frac{{a^{2}+b^{2}}}{2}\geq \sqrt{a^{2}b^{2}}

{a^{2}+b^{2}}\geq 2ab
so answer is 48 (sorry for calculation mistake)

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Lokesh Verma ·

but why should a=4 and b=6??

and why should this expansion be the only one possible.. ???

Refer my hint!

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Tush Watts ·

Since x = 0 is not the solution of the given eqn,
Dividing by x2 in both sides , we get

x2 + ax + b + (a/x) + (1/x2) = 0

(x2+ 1/x2) + a ( x + 1/x) +b = 0 .............(1)

Putting x + 1/x = y in (1), we get
(y2 - 2) + a y + b = 0

y2 + ay + (b-2) = 0

Since it has real roots , therefore,
a 2 - 4(b-2) > 0
therefore, a 2 > 4(b-2)
Adding both sides b2, we get
a 2 + b 2 > 4 (b-2) + b2

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Lokesh Verma ·

great work tushar.. but you still have not used the condition on y

there is some information on y that you have left out!

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eureka123 ·

y≥2 from AM-GM

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Lokesh Verma ·

not just that y could even be less than equal to -2

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Arshad ~Died~ ·

sir whats the trick often used in solving 4th degree polynomials....????

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Lokesh Verma ·

divide by x^2 ;)

there is another method of using cyclic functions of sums.. (which i read very recently!) and will put up as either a problem or some QOD soon :)

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