9th January 2009

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highest power of 3 in 100!

30 Answers

62
Lokesh Verma ·

sorry sankara for confusing you :)

62
Lokesh Verma ·

see basically if a number is of the form

3n then n out of these 3n numbers (1,2,3,.... 3n )will be divisible by 3

if it is

3n+1 then also only n of these (1,2,3,..... 3n+1) will be divisible by 3

if it is

3n+2 then also only n of these (1,2,3,..... 3n+2) will be divisible by 3

and in each of these 3 cases above, the numbers will be (3,6,...3n)

3
msp ·

ok sir still confused for not considering the 36
i cant understanding the meaning of ur explanation

62
Lokesh Verma ·

because only every 3rd number is a multiple of 3....

3
msp ·

ok mistaken sir.still confused sir for the reason for grouping as 3 terms

62
Lokesh Verma ·

and no 36 (No here stands fro "NOT")

3
msp ·

sir the last group has a multiple of 3
36=3*3*4

62
Lokesh Verma ·

well see

1,2,3
4,,5,6
7,8,9
....

31,32,33

each of these have 1 multiple of 3

if the last group has

34,35 and no 36 then it does not have a multiple of 3

does this explain?

3
msp ·

sir why we have to find GINT for the [n/p]

3
msp ·

i have the same doubt as philip got.can u explain me in some other easier way

62
Lokesh Verma ·

what confuses u sankara/

3
msp ·

still confused

1
Philip Calvert ·

ok thanks a lot bhaiyya [1]

62
Lokesh Verma ·

see philip...

The multiples of 3 will contribute for one 3 each...

The multiples of 3^2 will contribute for one additional 3

and so on....

so the final naswer will be multiples of 3+ 9 + 27.....

1
Philip Calvert ·

sorry i din get it completely
could you tell how it tells the no. of occurrences of p in n factorial

btw bhaiyya please could you see:
http://targetiit.com/iit_jee_forum/posts/circular_path_1398.html

39
Dr.House ·

for this proof is also not necessary

we have some formula na for exponent of a prime

direct formula substitution

13
MAK ·

thanq... [1]

62
Lokesh Verma ·

good one maQ :)

13
MAK ·

the formula is [n/p] + [n/p2] + [n/p3] + ...

first term [n/p] gives the number of multiples of p that are ≤ n ... similarly [n/p2] gives the number of multiples of p2 that are ≤ n... and so on...

first term gives the number of terms that contribute the prime p... second term gives the number of terms that contribute p2, since one of these 2 p's is already counted in first case, so it adds one extra value of p to the total number of p's.... and so on till the contribution becomes 0...

let me know if i'm wrong...!!!

1
Philip Calvert ·

i cant for the life of me think of it presently [2]
i'll bookmark this thread
to come back to it later

62
Lokesh Verma ·

The proof is very very very easy philip :)

62
Lokesh Verma ·

yeah philip i was telling this method to sankara..

but i still want the proof from u guys :)

1
Philip Calvert ·

yes Nishant bhaiyya this is tthe same method i had used but what about the proof

62
Lokesh Verma ·

see sankara..

I am only giving u the fnal answer..

[] shows the greatest integer..

so for our problem, the answer will be

[100/3]+[100/9]+[100/27]+[100/81]+[100/243]+..............

the last terms after the first 4 will be zero...

so the answer will be

33+11+3+1

Now did u understand the method?

3
msp ·

wat ur method says.i cant understand sir.

62
Lokesh Verma ·

now sankara can u give it a shot?

62
Lokesh Verma ·

the method to do this is

[n/3]+[n/32]+[n/33] +............

more generally the highest power of p in n!

[n/p]+[n/p2]+[n/p3] +............

3
msp ·

for inspired is there any formula for exponent of prime.if so can u give post the derivation for that formula

1
Philip Calvert ·

ans should be 48
interestingly the ans is same for the highest power of 4

can't think at all of how the method came

62
Lokesh Verma ·

ne one game? this is simple!! :O

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